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    1. John Nerst‏ @everytstudies Jun 10

      Postmodernism, critical theory, standpoint epistemology, poststructuralism, social constructionism, intersectionality etc. are not the same thing. This is clear in when they're seen in high resolution. ->

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    2. John Nerst‏ @everytstudies Jun 10

      In low resolution however (which is what nonspecialists tend to use, both supporters and detractors), only the most salient, politically charged features stand out. ->

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    3. John Nerst‏ @everytstudies Jun 10

      As a result they become a single blob of fuzzy idea-oids united by family resemblance and political alignment. ->

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    4. John Nerst‏ @everytstudies Jun 10

      In high-resolution academia this blob doesn't have a name, and the ones used in low-resolution popular discourse like "cultural marxism", "postmodern neo-marxism", or just "postmodernism" don't make sense ->

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    5. John Nerst‏ @everytstudies Jun 10

      ... because in high resolution the internal contradictions can be made out and it doesn't look like *a thing*. ->

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    6. John Nerst‏ @everytstudies Jun 10

      It's a common problem that many ideas look very different in high and low resolution. Insisting that only high resolution versions are correct is a popular strategy but it comes with a problem: ->

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    7. John Nerst‏ @everytstudies Jun 10

      Because it tends to be low resolution versions that make their way in society (and low-level academia), treating them as wrong or nonexistent makes it impossible to talk about the ideas actually influencing society. So we do need a label. END

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    8. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Jun 10
      Replying to @everytstudies

      maybe the problem is more profound than just labeling? high resolution ideas seem to just not be present outside of the mind of the idea creator. those involved in meticulous good-faith dialogue with that person can reconstruct an equivalent high resolution idea in their own head

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    9. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Jun 10
      Replying to @danlistensto @everytstudies

      but ultimately communication bandwidth is too low to really replicate ideas faithfully between minds. this is a central insight of all that theory, isn't it? we're inherently limited by what language is able to do in the first place.

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    10. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Jun 10
      Replying to @danlistensto @everytstudies

      the low resolution conglomerations of that constellation of ideas seems to be much more stable in language transmission than the high res versions. in a certain sense (social/political in particular) I think that makes the low res versions more real than the high res versions.

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      Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Jun 10
      Replying to @danlistensto @everytstudies

      so when you get a variety of idea that has very high volatility (as this cluster does) you see really dramatic cognitive dissonance and lossy compression effects and it becomes impossible to engage with the idea on a mass scale. its DoA in popular discourse.

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        2. John Nerst‏ @everytstudies Jun 10
          Replying to @danlistensto

          Yep, couldn't agree more. It is a profound problem that we tend to substitute low-res versions in the wild with high-res versions in our mind whenever we have them - and then dismiss criticism of the low-res ones as wrong and dumb.

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        3. John Nerst‏ @everytstudies Jun 10
          Replying to @everytstudies @danlistensto

          We must recognize that low-res versions exist and has real consequences. Ideas that don't degrade gracefully are potentially dangerous. But is someone responsible for the deteriorated, roughed up version of their idea? I do *not* want to go there. That way lies darkness.

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        4. John Nerst‏ @everytstudies Jun 10
          Replying to @everytstudies @danlistensto

          PS Idk if you read it but I wrote a bit about this (kinda) before. http://www.everythingstudies.com/all-the-worlds-a-trading-zone … I've got some disordered notes on another article on it, maybe another year...

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        5. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Jun 10
          Replying to @everytstudies

          have not read that article yet, bookmarked!

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