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Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop
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    1. Chaos‏ @chaosprime Jun 7

      statist UBI is a mistake. we need anarchist UBI: an explicit game theoretic bribe not to interfere with the property of those paying into it, withheld from (surviving) violators (obviously interfering with the property of a non-participant entity isn't a violation)

      4 replies 2 retweets 12 likes
    2. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Jun 7
      Replying to @chaosprime

      that's a protection racket. you invented racketeering. normally the state does it. the alternative is the mafia does it, which is probably worse.

      3 replies 0 retweets 4 likes
    3. Chaos‏ @chaosprime Jun 7
      Replying to @danlistensto

      i'm sure it will be much better when it's a protection racket *down* not a protection racket *up*

      2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
      Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Jun 7
      Replying to @chaosprime

      "take this money so you won't firebomb your competitors"? wut?

      1:06 PM - 7 Jun 2018
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        2. Chaos‏ @chaosprime Jun 7
          Replying to @danlistensto

          i bet if you dig deep enough you'll find this principle in operation in a lot of places if your city has 100,000 people who just went out of work and nobody has work for them, what's more rational, standing on principle that they shouldn't riot or bribing them not to riot?

          1 reply 0 retweets 4 likes
        3. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Jun 7
          Replying to @chaosprime

          in some countries they just put them on the dole (shitty UBI stand-in). in other countries they start a war and get a bunch of em dead. in other countries they have them grope crotches at the airport.

          1 reply 0 retweets 5 likes
        4. Chaos‏ @chaosprime Jun 7
          Replying to @danlistensto

          so these are in descending order of social utility is what you're saying at least the people on the dole generate economic opportunity for articles whining about dole bludgers

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        5. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Jun 7
          Replying to @chaosprime

          they might even buy some consumer goods with it too! demand side stimulus is the real reason why UBI is not completely rejected by economists.

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        6. Chaos‏ @chaosprime Jun 7
          Replying to @danlistensto

          honestly that part sounds amazing, it's really sad how the first objection to developing any mass market consumer product (as opposed to toy for overprivileged idiots) right now is "who's going to buy it, nobody has any money"

          1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
        7. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Jun 7
          Replying to @chaosprime

          I really do want this. I'm even willing to settle for statist UBI to get it.

          0 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
        8. End of conversation
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        2. Terrycloth‏ @terrycloth11 Jun 7
          Replying to @danlistensto @chaosprime

          "All of you take this money so we don't get guillotined."

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        3. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Jun 7
          Replying to @terrycloth11 @chaosprime

          this one really falls apart when you run it forward and try to find the equilibrium point

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        4. Chaos‏ @chaosprime Jun 7
          Replying to @danlistensto @terrycloth11

          equilibrium is a sticky point yes but mostly just suggests that we will need sticks in addition to carrots "all of you take this money so we neither get guillotined nor have to go through all the fuss, bother, risk and bad feelings of having to have you killed"

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        5. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Jun 7
          Replying to @chaosprime @terrycloth11

          "bad news, mate, the rate's gone up this year and we're gonna need a bit more or else its the old choppy choppy" that's how protection rackets work, right?

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        6. Chaos‏ @chaosprime Jun 7
          Replying to @danlistensto @terrycloth11

          oh sure, but what kind of monster are you that you don't want people to have cost of living increases

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        7. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Jun 7
          Replying to @chaosprime @terrycloth11

          a negative utility monster

          0 replies 0 retweets 1 like
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        2. Kevin‏ @kevin_bowen Jun 7
          Replying to @danlistensto @chaosprime

          No, it's take this money so you won't Seize The Means Of Production

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        3. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Jun 7
          Replying to @kevin_bowen @chaosprime

          game theoretically speaking...the means of production are rigged with demolition charges on a coin-operated timer. keep putting money in or it blows.

          0 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
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