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Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop
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    1. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto May 27
      Replying to @Locus_of_Ctrl

      some people go insane in an ego-maniacal yet charismatic way. other people go insane in an ego-dissolving yet submissive way. sometimes these people meet each other.

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    2. After Sol‏ @Locus_of_Ctrl May 27
      Replying to @danlistensto

      You're using an authoritarian model of the cult. I, on the other hand, believe that some of the most dangerous cults consist of exclusively type A or exclusively of type B people.

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    3. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto May 27
      Replying to @Locus_of_Ctrl

      example? I can't think of one like that.

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    4. After Sol‏ @Locus_of_Ctrl May 27
      Replying to @danlistensto

      I don't see any charismatic figures at all in the SJW cult, for example. It's exclusively Type B.

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      Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto May 27
      Replying to @Locus_of_Ctrl

      I disagree. They don't have explicit hierarchies, which makes the charismatic personalities much more obscure (from an outsider perspective) but they're definitely there. They just don't get up on stage and preach.

      5:21 PM - 27 May 2018
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        2. After Sol‏ @Locus_of_Ctrl May 27
          Replying to @danlistensto

          Okay, fine, they probably do worship some entity like Judith Butler or Ta-Nehisi Coates, but the structure of the cult is so convoluted that it's a far cry from the typical image of a preacher figure in the center with followers radiating from him/her.

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        3. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto May 27
          Replying to @Locus_of_Ctrl

          yep. it's an unusual beast and I'm not entirely sure what to make of it either.

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        2. You from the future‏ @MeFromBefore May 27
          Replying to @danlistensto @Locus_of_Ctrl

          As somebody who’s partner was born in a cult, I’d say that Dan’s analysis is pretty good, for a subset of cults.

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        3. After Sol‏ @Locus_of_Ctrl May 27
          Replying to @MeFromBefore @danlistensto

          I agree that there is a cohesive and distinct subset of cults focused on a central charismatic figure. But who was the charismatic figure in Protestantist cults? They were various, and they were replaced one after another, yet the cults persisted.

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        4. You from the future‏ @MeFromBefore May 27
          Replying to @Locus_of_Ctrl @danlistensto

          There are those in the cult that see it for what it is, learn the lessons of how to take it over (or open a franchise), and do so. See the current head of Scientology for an example. I’m not familiar with Protestant cults.

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        5. After Sol‏ @Locus_of_Ctrl May 27
          Replying to @MeFromBefore @danlistensto

          the Munster Rebellion is an example of a cult (radical Anabaptists) that "acquired" a charismatic figure (or even several such figures), discarded them, then persisted https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%C3%BCnster_rebellion …

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        6. You from the future‏ @MeFromBefore May 27
          Replying to @Locus_of_Ctrl @danlistensto

          If the memetic structure of the cult is sufficiently anti-fragile, it can be self-sustaining without a corporeal charismatic leader; the mystical god takes over this role? I am only spitballing, but perhaps this is the transition from what we’d call a cult and a religion?

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        7. After Sol‏ @Locus_of_Ctrl May 27
          Replying to @MeFromBefore @danlistensto

          Okay, another question -- does a cult necessarily "radiate" from a charismatic figure -- or is the charismatic figure simply a person who happens to be shrewd/ruthless enough to take advantage of fools who already organized themselves in that structure?

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        8. After Sol‏ @Locus_of_Ctrl May 27
          Replying to @Locus_of_Ctrl @MeFromBefore @danlistensto

          In the case of Anabaptists, the second situation seems to be the case, and yet very early on it is unlikely that the Anabaptists could have seriously be considered a religion rather than a sect/cult.

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        9. You from the future‏ @MeFromBefore May 27
          Replying to @Locus_of_Ctrl @danlistensto

          I’d say both. The cultists of the 1970s definitely “collected” followers rather than finding them pre-collected. The anabaptists sounds like an attempt at political revolution in an environment that didn’t seperate church and state, from my quick read of the Wikipedia page.

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