The most commonly thrown around arguments are that this is being sexist against men, just like racism, and that you can't fix a problem by doing the opposite of what that problem is. Cool. That's all bullshit.
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This reddit thread about some events we're hosting at PAX being open to women and non-binary people only was just as much of a toxic landfill as I expected it to be: https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/9bwtow/psa_room_613_at_pax_west_will_only_be_available/ … So let's talk about this for a little bit!
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Systemic sexism and racism exist at the intersection of bigotry and power dynamics. Racism isn't just being called the n-word, it's that + no one caring when you protest + not being given a loan a white person would have gotten + being shot by the police for no reason
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The reason that "sexism against men" makes no sense as a concept is that men have the power. They're privileged in so many ways, from small invisible things, to large, outrageous things (like a confessed abuser and harasser like Louis CK can just have a comeback and that's fine)
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Men are RIDICULOUSLY over-represented in gaming; they're listened to when women are ignored, promoted when women are passed over, lauded for speaking out when women are being called "difficult to work with".
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I imagine the same power dynamics apply to cosplay and fan events. I'm sure women are objectified and harassed, both verbally and with unwanted physical contact. I'm sure they're spoken over and made to feel unwelcome at events like these.
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So yes, in the interest of justice, equality, and fairness, men need to be excluded sometimes. That's perfectly fine. Trust me, you'll have about a billion other opportunities that these women won't have. But no, you have to be absolute overgrown toddlers and throw hissy fits.
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When one group has too much and one has too little, some must be taken from the group that has too much. That sucks, and if you're used to being catered to your entire life and always being made to feel like the most special boy in the room, the above will be your reaction.
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If you've never had to think about this for a minute in your life, congratulations, you're privileged as fuck and have been benefiting from a system that makes the lives of other people hell. I sincerely hope these manbabies crying in that thread will grow up some day.
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But I know most of them won't. That's their choice. My choice? My choice is to reject them from my spaces. They're not welcome here, they're not welcome in gaming anymore. To strive towards justice, we sometimes have to be harsh and exclusionary. And that's okay.
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If they want to be welcome, hey, they could try not being absolute assholes to women. Also maybe not equating "not being allowed to attend part of a gaming event" with "having to sit in the back of the bus". /thread
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PS: here's a picture of Kaylee who thinks women and non binary people are wonderful and deserve to be in gaming and she just wants to sit in your lap and purr.pic.twitter.com/EWjTFnRRfS
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I hope that I don't get attacked for this and I would like to put a disclaimer that I do welcome the opportunity that women and non-binary people are presented here. Something I want to discuss and not be flamed for: Yes, men are over-represented and we need more diversity...
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It's okay that sometimes a choice to leave out a group for the sake of other groups to have a chance. But I honestly believe sexism does in fact go both ways in certain areas. It's just that men are majority represented Again, I welcome this opportunity for them to have a chance
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Besides all that, I agree that this is a welcomed opportunity and if people think that this isn't happening and being toxic about it is the way to go is not on.
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I just want to emphasis that this is a welcomed change. But to ignore that sexism doesn't go both ways is ignorant in itself. I apologise if I do trigger people, but I believe opportunity for those that don't get a chance should happen: women, non-binary and men... everyone
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Fuck off and sea lion somewhere else.
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As someone who works as a social face on a few projects, this is everything you should never do. What are you 16? If your fans are disagrewing with a move you've made, never write them off as "XD look at these toxic people" you listen to their argument and work with them.
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Also just as an added note, I'm a woman, and I personally think barring off another gender from an event is gross and frankly just pandering, and if I were going I would honestly avoid that panel. It's debilitating and sexist.
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But I'm just being toxic, right?
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Yeah that thread reminded me why I hate the league subreddit. it's just awful
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That's fair. It certainly brought out by far the worst elements. It's a good reminder of how far we have to go.
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Don't know if this is so much a /r/lol problem or just "young males unwilling to think critically on a topic because understanding the situation reduces their privilege" problem.
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I mean, it's both? But the stunning thing is how welcome and accepted this kind of idiocy still is on /r/lol
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