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    1. Avner‏ @avnerarik Feb 8
      Replying to @d246ga

      what does cultural Marxism have to do with any of this?; the bill makes incitement of hatred not using the pronouns of the person, there is no list with all the pronouns and how about a video clip in a classroom about gender pronouns, would that get you reprimanded?

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    2. Tol Slaya‏ @d246ga Feb 8
      Replying to @avnerarik

      Are you trying to argue against a law by finding interpretations of it that you find absurd? Because that's what I'm getting. There's a reason cases of legal dispute are brought before courts. Can you cite a court case that makes you think that this is dangerous?

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    3. Tol Slaya‏ @d246ga Feb 8
      Replying to @d246ga @avnerarik

      Or maybe give one single clear argument anywhere? Are you trying to argue that trans people shouldn't be protected from discrimination? From hate propaganda? Anything? Seriously, if you're going to be needlessly vague at least work in "cuck" or some bullshit.

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    4. Avner‏ @avnerarik Feb 8
      Replying to @d246ga

      "so what you are saying is...", that is not what i'm saying. the provision already argues that there are experiences that may not be already protected in the anti-discrimination laws. what i'm saying is that this new provision is badly written and causes more concerns.

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    5. Tol Slaya‏ @d246ga Feb 8
      Replying to @avnerarik

      It does not. Transgender people deserve the same legal protections as other minority groups, and reading the wording of the full act as amended after C-16 (which you can here: http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/h-6/  ) that's exactly what has been granted.

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    6. Tol Slaya‏ @d246ga Feb 8
      Replying to @d246ga @avnerarik

      You can bring up any examples you want of acts of hateful speech (such as using a racial slur or intentionally misgendering a trans person), but those fall out of the realm of this law's influence.

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    7. Tol Slaya‏ @d246ga Feb 8
      Replying to @d246ga @avnerarik

      And without the ability to even demonstrate legal precedent otherwise, you're at best being paranoid, and at worst, trying to threaten legal protections against discrimination for a specific group of marginalized people.

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    8. Avner‏ @avnerarik Feb 8
      Replying to @d246ga

      how do you expect to be legal precedent on a new provision of the law? but there are your points of view, i must be either paranoid or evil...the idea that there could be flaws in the law is irrelevant to you. there is no point in arguing any thing else.

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    9. Tol Slaya‏ @d246ga Feb 8
      Replying to @d246ga @avnerarik

      The difference between that example and any example that you've given is that that is unequivocally within any reasonable interpretation of the law as written, and is in line with its intent.

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      Tol Slaya‏ @d246ga Feb 8
      Replying to @d246ga @avnerarik

      No reasonable interpretation of the law would lead to vocal racists shouting slurs in public without repercussion, yet imprisonment of any incel jackass who deadnames a transwoman.

      5:04 AM - 8 Feb 2018
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        2. Avner‏ @avnerarik Feb 8
          Replying to @d246ga

          i agree, it is "a criminal offence to incite hatred against any identifiable group where this is likely to result in a breach of the peace"; but they could not do that, meanwhile you do have to address to members of the trans community by their pronouns.

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        3. Tol Slaya‏ @d246ga Feb 8
          Replying to @avnerarik

          "you do have to address to members of the trans community by their pronouns." You don't (legally speaking)... and you can't be legally penalized for not doing that... Do I have to spell it in macaroni for you?

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        4. Avner‏ @avnerarik Feb 8
          Replying to @d246ga

          is misgendering "willfully promoting hate"?

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        5. Tol Slaya‏ @d246ga Feb 8
          Replying to @avnerarik

          If it's intentional, yes, and you think of it the same way you think about slurs. Is it occurring as part of a public demonstration? A public platform? If not, it's not subject to the law and bigots still have their legal safe space in private conversations.

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        6. Avner‏ @avnerarik Feb 8
          Replying to @d246ga

          now that is the stereotypical expected case...but what we got was Lindsay Shepherd in a classroom. i totally understand the reason of the law, they argue about the experiences of trans not cover in sex-discrimination, my point is that the modification is dangerously open to abuse

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        7. Tol Slaya‏ @d246ga Feb 8
          Replying to @avnerarik

          Lindsay Shepard? Come the fuck on, that was not a criminal charge brought up against a TA nor a legal invocation of the CHRA. That was a university employee summoned for an internal meeting. Which the university itself later apologized for.

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        8. Tol Slaya‏ @d246ga Feb 8
          Replying to @d246ga @avnerarik

          ANY law is open to abuse if a court comes to an abusive ruling. That is not an argument against the law. "The modification" extends existing legal protection to a previously unprotected group. That's literally all it does,

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        9. Tol Slaya‏ @d246ga Feb 8
          Replying to @d246ga @avnerarik

          But you and the rest of Peterson's acolytes oppose a law that protects people from discrimination on conspiratorial grounds of rampant, imaginary harmful enforcement of that law, with no regard for the importance of it in terms of what it actually gives to people who need it.

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        2. Tol Slaya‏ @d246ga Feb 8
          Replying to @d246ga @avnerarik

          And if you think that that is how this section of legal code will be enforced, you're why we're going to bring gulags back :^)

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        3. Tol Slaya‏ @d246ga Feb 8
          Replying to @d246ga @avnerarik

          Not that I'm saying that's what your argument was. Like I said, you've been necessarily vague this entire time, so I'm not quite sure exactly what you think the threat of C-16 is.

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