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    Cybergibbons‏ @cybergibbons 4 Jan 2020

    Cybergibbons Retweeted Ken Munro

    I'm not one to nitpick. Hold up. This figure is totally wrong! As a banana aficionado and ex-container ship bod, I think I may comment.https://twitter.com/TheKenMunroShow/status/1213531227266985986 …

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      2. Cybergibbons‏ @cybergibbons 4 Jan 2020

        First up, how many bananas in a container? A standard forty footer holds 20 pallets. There are maybe 6 boxes of bananas per level, 10 levels, and 100 bananas per box? 120k bananas per box.

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      3. Cybergibbons‏ @cybergibbons 4 Jan 2020

        So that's more, right? 120k * 15k = 1.8 GigaBananas? Nope.

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      4. Cybergibbons‏ @cybergibbons 4 Jan 2020

        15,000 containers will be referring to TEUs - twenty foot equivalent units. 120k * 7.5k = 900 MegaBananas? Nope.

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      5. Cybergibbons‏ @cybergibbons 4 Jan 2020

        Is it weight? A banana weighs about 125g. So, around 15tonnes per forty footer. That's far short of the maximum of 28 tonnes.

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      6. Cybergibbons‏ @cybergibbons 4 Jan 2020

        So what is it? It's power.

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      7. Cybergibbons‏ @cybergibbons 4 Jan 2020

        Even the biggest container ships - for example, the Emma Maersk with around 11k fully laden TEUs - only have 1k reefer sockets onboard. Assume those are all filled with forty footers. We are down to around 1k * 120k = 120 MegaBananas.

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      8. Cybergibbons‏ @cybergibbons 4 Jan 2020

        Wow, big difference! But, it gets worse. Those reefer positions all need power.

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      9. Cybergibbons‏ @cybergibbons 4 Jan 2020

        We used to factor around 4kW for a reefer... so that would be around 4MW total. Easy! Problem is, bananas are not average. Most frozen cargo is taken onboard frozen. It doesn't take much power to keep it frozen at -21degC

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      10. Cybergibbons‏ @cybergibbons 4 Jan 2020

        Bananas are different though - they are often packed warm, and brought directly to the ship. They are also kept at +14degC. This means the refrigeration needs to work harder.

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      11. Cybergibbons‏ @cybergibbons 4 Jan 2020

        We are now looking at as much as 20kW to cool that container when it comes onboard, and 8kW to maintain the temperature. We've jumped to 8MW at least! That's changed what you are doing in the engine room.

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      12. Cybergibbons‏ @cybergibbons 4 Jan 2020

        Each of the 5 generators on the Emma Maersk is around 4MW. You are now running 3 generators just to keep the ship running in port!

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      13. Cybergibbons‏ @cybergibbons 4 Jan 2020

        Worse still, the shaft generator (the thing that recovers power from the main engine) is only 8.5MW. You are now having to run extra generators. Not economical. But doable.

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      14. Cybergibbons‏ @cybergibbons 4 Jan 2020

        So where does all that heat go from the refrigerated containers? The air. That's fine above the hatches. But what about below the hatches? Well, you need fans. And a lot of them.

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      15. Cybergibbons‏ @cybergibbons 4 Jan 2020

        No container ship I worked on had enough below hatch ventilation to handle 100% bananas. 100 containers dumping 8kW of power under a hatch is a lot. Total guess, but I don't think you'd manage more than 75% of reefer being at full load.

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      16. Cybergibbons‏ @cybergibbons 4 Jan 2020

        So I think at best... we have 750 * 120k = 90 Mega Bananas. Enough for everyone in the UK and me.

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      17. Cybergibbons‏ @cybergibbons 4 Jan 2020

        How do shipping companies handle this? Well, there are actually special banana ships - they are open hatch and can easily handle the load. Anyway, hope that was fun :)

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      18. Cybergibbons‏ @cybergibbons 4 Jan 2020

        This is what happens when you just multiply containers by how much you think is in them.

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      19. Cybergibbons‏ @cybergibbons 5 Jan 2020

        Cybergibbons Retweeted Cybergibbons

        For those of you interested in what the engine room of a container ship looks like, I posted some pictures last year:https://twitter.com/cybergibbons/status/1176182170546835456 …

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        Cybergibbons @cybergibbons
        A couple of days ago, I talked about an "engine the size of a house". It's a not an exaggeration. What are the engines and other equipment like on a container ship? This is a 66,000gt ship, approximately 280m long. Rated about 5500 TEU. This is the top of the main engine. pic.twitter.com/v8CFDrClpf
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