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Curt Clifton
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Curt Clifton

@curtclifton

Programming Languages Geek. PhD in CS from Iowa State. Cubs and Sounders Fan. Walker of trails. Runner of roads. Object and function wrangler at the Omni Group.

Joined April 2008
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    1. Curt Clifton ‏@curtclifton 21 Dec 2015

      A recent thread on the swift-evolution mailing list has me very concerned. http://curtclifton.net/app-developers-on-swift-evolution … /cc @dwaite @wilshipley @dgregor79

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    2. Javi ‏@Javi 21 Dec 2015 San Francisco, CA

      @curtclifton like I said on the thread: whether final is made the default or not, final already exists and Apple would use it.

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    3. Curt Clifton ‏@curtclifton 21 Dec 2015

      @Javi I hope the UIKit and AppKit teams have more respect for app developers than the Swift team is showing.

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    4. Javi ‏@Javi 21 Dec 2015 San Francisco, CA

      @curtclifton I don't understand where the lack of respect is.

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    5. Curt Clifton ‏@curtclifton 21 Dec 2015

      @Javi the lack of respect is the assumption that everything must be locked down, that we can’t be trusted to meet our customers needs.

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    6. Javi ‏@Javi 21 Dec 2015 San Francisco, CA

      @curtclifton you're making assumptions that do not hold IMO. "everything must be locked down": like private APIs? Closed source?

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    7. Javi ‏@Javi 21 Dec 2015 San Francisco, CA

      @curtclifton API contracts exist for a reason, and it's not for evil purposes or lack of respect / trust.

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    8. Curt Clifton ‏@curtclifton 21 Dec 2015

      @Javi app developers need tools for working around bugs. A language should be ductile not brittle. Swift is trending towards brittle.

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    9. Javi ‏@Javi 21 Dec 2015 San Francisco, CA

      @curtclifton I don't get why that's brittle. I think a lang goal should be: make writing bugs hard so devs don't have to work around them

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      Curt Clifton ‏@curtclifton 21 Dec 2015

      @Javi I’m all for strength, and love much about Swift for that reason. But we have to fight to keep the language resilient/ductile too.

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        1. Javi ‏@Javi 21 Dec 2015 San Francisco, CA

          @curtclifton so you'd advocate for final to not exist in the language? Cause it being the default or not won't actually change the outcome.

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        2. Curt Clifton ‏@curtclifton 21 Dec 2015

          @Javi yes, I would. I said that in the thread and repeated it in the post.

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        3. Javi ‏@Javi 21 Dec 2015 San Francisco, CA

          @curtclifton you think that swift would ultimately be a better language without final?

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        4. Curt Clifton ‏@curtclifton 21 Dec 2015

          @Javi I do, though that’s water over the bridge I’m afraid. I saw the havoc that people wrecked with ‘final’ in Java.

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        1. Rogelio Gudino ‏@cananito 21 Dec 2015

          @curtclifton @javi Woah, “have to fight”? I don’t want to fight. I’m more of a diplomat and pacifist.

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        2. Curt Clifton ‏@curtclifton 21 Dec 2015

          @cananito @Javi I think we’ve established that I’m no diplomat. 😉

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