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    Charlie Stross‏Verified account @cstross 29 Mar 2020

    Charlie Stross Retweeted Alan Denham

    Actuaries put a cash value on human lives all the time. What I find odd about the Trumpoid “make sacrifices for the economy” crowd is, they’re underestimating actuarial value of the lives we’d lose by at least an order of magnitude. They think life is cheaper than it is.https://twitter.com/Nuomer1/status/1244268054378397696 …

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    Alan Denham @Nuomer1
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    The headline has a few words missing - "return to normal is vital *_for the economy_* ". Of course, that implies that you can put a cash value on a human life. I would be interested to watch him do so. Ditto Trump.
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      2. Erica "digifox" Kovac‏ @digitalfox0 29 Mar 2020
        Replying to @cstross

        Yeah us real utilitarians over here like, "yeah of course there's a tradeoff but you're calling the ball waaaay too early"

        1 reply 1 retweet 7 likes
      3. Lorxus, A Central Bank‏ @CoronaCoreanici 29 Mar 2020
        Replying to @digitalfox0 @cstross

        Or, more likely, they genuinely value human life that low. Actually, that miscalibration would explain a lot.

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      2. Dave 'WYFM' Swersky  💉  ⏳‏ @dswersky 29 Mar 2020
        Replying to @cstross

        They value life on a scale: My life = priceless "Their" lives = expendable

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      3. Zoony’s Dad 🗿‏ @alphatozulu 29 Mar 2020
        Replying to @dswersky @cstross

        It’s another of those irregular verbs...

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      1. Alan Denham‏ @Nuomer1 29 Mar 2020
        Replying to @cstross

        Yes, I knew that (though I suspect many people didn't). My point was ironic - I would like to see him argue in public for any cash figure you want to specify! 50 years ago traffic engineers looking at works to improve road safety put it at around £1.5M - but time moves on . . .

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      1. Steve Dempsey‏ @gb_steve 29 Mar 2020
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        In the same way in the UK we've found out that key workers don't earn >£30k, and to a large extent are migrants.https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/mar/28/fruit-and-veg-will-run-out-unless-britain-charters-planes-to-fly-in-farm-workers-from-eastern-europe …

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      1. Patrick Frawley‏ @StatesOfMotion 29 Mar 2020
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        They also think that somehow waving their hands and calling everything off will have people back to work instantly. More likely that we'll have many, many more dead people and still have an effectively stalled economy.

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      2. Marino_bib‏ @BibMarino 29 Mar 2020
        Replying to @cstross

        "they’re underestimating actuarial value of the lives we’d lose" True. Loss of skills, loss of demand, loss of invested value in education and training. Even from that standpoint, it's idotic.

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      3. Sredni Vashtar, Ph.D.‏ @drsrednivashtar 29 Mar 2020
        Replying to @BibMarino @cstross

        On top of the fact that those lives would be lost on a fool's errand. Lifting restrictions wouldn't just cause more deaths among older or chronically ill people -- it would also spread more disease through the whole population. Nothing good would come of it for anyone.

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      2. va_benny‏ @benny_the_hutt 29 Mar 2020
        Replying to @cstross

        US gov accounting puts human life value at somewhere around $5M. At 1M deaths, that's $5T. $2T stimulus here while probably inadequate seems pretty reasonable in rough orders of magnitude.

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      3. Gary O'Keefe  💙‏ @garyokeefeuk 29 Mar 2020
        Replying to @benny_the_hutt @cstross

        Not quite. On the low side, FDA put the value at $7.9M in 2010 ($9.3M today, adj for inflation) and the DoT at $9.6M in 2016 ($10.4M today) on the high side. Certainly knocking on the door of an order of magnitude difference, if not actually stepping over the threshold.

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