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    1. Noah "Bunny Hugger" Smith  🐇‏Verified account @Noahpinion 13 Dec 2017

      4/For example, take the argument over science and eugenics. Some people like to say that eugenics was once "accepted science", and use this to argue against trusting science too much in the present day.

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    2. Noah "Bunny Hugger" Smith  🐇‏Verified account @Noahpinion 13 Dec 2017

      5/As proof, they point to the fact that many people in the scientific establishment used to believe in, or at least be interested in, eugenics:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Eugenics_Conference#The_First_International_Eugenics_Congress_.281912.29 …

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    3. Noah "Bunny Hugger" Smith  🐇‏Verified account @Noahpinion 13 Dec 2017

      6/Now, one can argue that these historical scientists were doing bad science. And skeptics of modern science will then say that you're committing the "No True Scotsman" fallacy. But in fact, it's no fallacy, because "science" has multiple meanings.

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    4. Noah "Bunny Hugger" Smith  🐇‏Verified account @Noahpinion 13 Dec 2017

      7/"Science" can refer to the body of ideas and knowledge that we call "scientific". It can refer to the people and institutions who do what we call "science". Or it can refer to a way of thinking and learning about the world.

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    5. Noah "Bunny Hugger" Smith  🐇‏Verified account @Noahpinion 13 Dec 2017

      8/Many of the people who fell in love with eugenics in the early 20th century were "scientists" in the second sense. And many people believed eugenics belonged in the body of "scientific" knowledge in the first sense.

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    6. Noah "Bunny Hugger" Smith  🐇‏Verified account @Noahpinion 13 Dec 2017

      9/But very little of eugenics was produced using the methods of thinking and experimentation that we think of as "science". There was a lot of mistaking correlation for causation, making empirically ungrounded assumptions, failing to test theories, etc.

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    7. Noah "Bunny Hugger" Smith  🐇‏Verified account @Noahpinion 13 Dec 2017

      10/Thus, while eugenics is a good cautionary tale about how the scientific *establishment* can go wrong, and about how bad ideas make their way into popular consciousness, it says little about whether the scientific method is a reliable way of investigating the world.

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    8. Noah "Bunny Hugger" Smith  🐇‏Verified account @Noahpinion 13 Dec 2017

      11/The accidental or intentional use of the failures of the scientific establishment shouldn't be used to discredit the idea of investigating the world through scientific means.

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    9. Noah "Bunny Hugger" Smith  🐇‏Verified account @Noahpinion 13 Dec 2017

      12/Thus, "No True Scotsman" thinking, in this case, doesn't change the definition of "science" as needed to prove a point - instead, it involves pointing out that people are improperly conflating different definitions of a word in order to make a bad point.

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    10. Noah "Bunny Hugger" Smith  🐇‏Verified account @Noahpinion 13 Dec 2017

      13/So I think we should be slower to accuse people of making "No True Scotsman" arguments, and more careful about conflating definitions. (end)

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      LaVar Hosting Jeopardy July 26-30 Stan Account 👁‏ @csilverandgold 13 Dec 2017
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      This logic works for any group that can distinguish between an ideal and practice, yeah? So who does no true Scotsman work on ever? What group can't distinguish between ideal and practice?

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        2. Noah "Bunny Hugger" Smith  🐇‏Verified account @Noahpinion 13 Dec 2017
          Replying to @csilverandgold

          It's not just about distinguishing between ideal and practice, but between ideal and labels. Anyone can call himself a "scientist". Should anyone who decides to call himself a "scientist" and then spout crap therefore discredit science? I say: No.

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        3. LaVar Hosting Jeopardy July 26-30 Stan Account 👁‏ @csilverandgold 13 Dec 2017
          Replying to @Noahpinion

          I understood you to be saying "real scientists supported eugenics, but that doesn't change the fact that eugenics was not generated by real science." Does that differ from "real Christians supported slavery, but slavery was not generated by real Christianity"?

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        2. Donni‏ @Donni_Anderson 13 Dec 2017
          Replying to @csilverandgold @Noahpinion

          I think that the way no true scotsman works as a fallacy is if someone were to say no scientific paradigm is ever illogical, then when eugenics is mentioned claimed that eugenics was not a true scientific paradigm.

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        3. Donni‏ @Donni_Anderson 13 Dec 2017
          Replying to @Donni_Anderson @csilverandgold @Noahpinion

          Basically the bad faith arguer would be trying to say you can't question science and using no true scotsman. if someone argues that the scientific method is bullshit because false paradigms have been put into practice with harmful results, they become the bad faith arguer.

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