Shrug. You gotta make up your mind: do you want a utopia or do you want a utopia you like? You might just not like the utopias on offer.
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Replying to @csilverandgold
I want a utopia I like. "Serf vs. wagecuck" offers a vision of utopia as 18th-century Russia, but I don't like it.
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Replying to @Noahpinion
I think a lot of social justice utopias see racism rather tha race as the problem, and racism as severable from race.
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Replying to @csilverandgold @Noahpinion
So maybe just utopias you don't like...
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Replying to @csilverandgold
I believe those are referred to in common parlance as "dystopias"... ;-)
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Replying to @Noahpinion @csilverandgold
But more generally, I don't think your aforementioned idea is common to the social justice movement as a whole...
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Replying to @Noahpinion @csilverandgold
...perhaps because most social justice folks who *like* that idea are smart, and realize that the idea would sound dystopian to most.
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Replying to @Noahpinion
I mean... I don't think any social justice people have come to that conclusion, but...
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Replying to @csilverandgold
A movement that has to keep its goals hidden because it knows most people would recoil from those goals is not a movement I can join...
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Replying to @Noahpinion
Wait that's not what I'm saying tho. I think some kind of conscious management of difference follows from "race without racism."
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But I doubt that's a common sentiment among social justice types. I think it flows from the premises tho...
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Replying to @csilverandgold
Right. I like to see things taken to their logical extent, even if it's not realistic, to see how much people like that end goal vision.
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Replying to @Noahpinion @csilverandgold
A movement that has to hide its vision because it knows most people will dislike that vision is not a movement I can be part of.
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