Liberal democratic ideology preceded liberal democracy, obviously. Locke came before Jefferson, lol.
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Replying to @csilverandgold @Analogbear
*Shrug* It's all white dudes fapping to large-scale social fantasies rather than helping real people in the here and now.
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Replying to @textualdeviance @Analogbear
But I'm saying a lot of them ARE helping people in the here and now AND having large scale social fantasies.
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Replying to @csilverandgold @Analogbear
If they're pushing an agenda that includes tearing down the one party that can save the country, they're not helping.
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Replying to @textualdeviance @Analogbear
Sure, we can disagree on tactics, and maybe their tactics are doing more harm than good. But you can't say they're not ALSO helping.
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Running phone banks and organizing buses of volunteers for Ossoff is helping, no matter how you slice it.
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Running groups for queer Christians is DEFINITELY helping, no matter how you slice it.
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Replying to @csilverandgold @Analogbear
Sounds good, definitely. But I dare say your friend is an outlier. The anti-Hillary screeching from the alt-left was/is deafening.
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Replying to @textualdeviance @Analogbear
Nah, the trolls are just louder. Precisely because they're not doing any work and sitting around on twitter all the time.
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Replying to @csilverandgold @Analogbear
Could be. But if the "good" ones aren't pushing back on their bullshit, the trolls are winning.
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YES strongly agreed and I try to impress this upon my socialist friends on a regular basis. Also socialist leaders like Bernie...
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could and should be doing a WAY WAY WAY WAY better job on identity issues than they're doing right now.
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as it stands, Sanders is likely to get blamed for the Dems' backsliding on abortion rights (which would not be 100% wrong, either.)
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