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    1. Uriah‏ @crimkadid 6 Aug 2020

      In 2015 a paper was published which tried to model the major admixture events of the last 3,000 years in West Eurasians. Table S5 provides a list of all the computed events and guesses of their magnitude/timing: https://www.cell.com/current-biology/fulltext/S0960-9822%2815%2900949-5#app3 … I want to talk specifically about the Greeks

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    2. Uriah‏ @crimkadid 6 Aug 2020

      The Greek cluster is modeled as 65/35 mix of two populations most like today's Cypriot Greeks/Lithuanians and the estimated date of the mixture is 630 AD, which would conform with the arrival of Slavic tribes onto the mainland.

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    3. Uriah‏ @crimkadid 6 Aug 2020

      Here, non-Slavic Lithuanians serve as a better representation of Proto-Slavs than say, Poles because of their greater isolation (Balts are the most European Europeans) These numbers explain a bit: for example, why Greeks are less Middle Eastern than South Italians.

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    4. Uriah‏ @crimkadid 6 Aug 2020

      The Slavic migration to Greece is well known, but very little talked about. I read Norwich's great little history of Byzantium and I don't think they got one full page of attention, despite contributing a huge chunk of the ancestry of today's Greeks. People don't care about Slavs

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    5. tantum‏ @QuasLacrimas 6 Aug 2020
      Replying to @crimkadid

      Is there any reason to think the admixture had to be a single folk-migration? Persistent importation of slaves over many centuries culminating in a small migration would fit the historical record perfectly (& the etymology)

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      Uriah‏ @crimkadid 6 Aug 2020
      Replying to @QuasLacrimas

      The Slavs in Greece arrived as raiders and conquerors. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sclaveni  Genuinely Slavic Bulgarians are clearly the result of a migration and not slavery and are not so far apart genetically from Greeks.

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        2. tantum‏ @QuasLacrimas 6 Aug 2020
          Replying to @crimkadid

          in 300bc Plato was writing that Thracian traits had already become normal among Athenian citizens, surely this is a quantitative question not onomastics

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        3. Uriah‏ @crimkadid 6 Aug 2020
          Replying to @QuasLacrimas

          The dating of the admixture event in the paper (630) corresponds very well to the large scale arrival of the Slavs in Greece (first raids in 580s). And Thracians would not be likely to resemble much the more northern Proto-Slavs genetically.

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