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Neuroscientist, psychologist, stats enthusiast. Junior group leader working on neural processes of motivation, action, & desire @neuroMADLAB

Tübingen, Deutschland
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    Nils Kroemer‏ @cornu_copiae 15 Sep 2018

    The 4 "canonical" major depression biotypes identified based on resting state fMRI by Drysdale et al. (2017) do not replicate in an independent test. Agree w/ @dinga92 @amarquand et al. that the preselection step for CCA was problematic. https://www.biorxiv.org/content/early/2018/09/14/416321 …pic.twitter.com/vpTKMkwVbH

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      2. Eric J Feczko‏ @EricFeczko 4 Oct 2018
        Replying to @cornu_copiae @dinga92 @amarquand

        From what I read the preprint has major discrepancies in resting state fMRI data preprocessing compared to drysdale. Signal frequencies examined do not overlap between the studies. Dinga et al. highpass filtered at .01 Hz, whereas drysdale et al bandpass filters: 0.008-0.09 Hz.

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      3. Eric J Feczko‏ @EricFeczko 4 Oct 2018
        Replying to @EricFeczko @cornu_copiae and

        The two studies make completely different choices regarding motion censoring, spatial smoothing, and denoising approach. Until the preprocessing is revised, one cannot interpret the preprint as a replication.

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      4. John Flournoy‏ @flourneuro 15 Oct 2018
        Replying to @EricFeczko @cornu_copiae and

        Still, seems like an important existence proof that high CCA and discovery of clusters are obtainable under their respective nulls.

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      5. Eric J Feczko‏ @EricFeczko 15 Oct 2018
        Replying to @flourneuro @cornu_copiae and

        In terms of the analytic approach within the methods, sure. However, it cannot be interpreted with respect to drysdale et al. The timeseries data carry different artifacts and signal at high frequencies; the data were not denoised, so the analytic approach was applied to noise.

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      6. John Flournoy‏ @flourneuro 15 Oct 2018
        Replying to @EricFeczko @cornu_copiae and

        Agree re the availability of best practice pipelines for rsfMRI, but @dinga92 et al's work illustrates that critical comparisons for evaluating validity of taxa/clusters was not made. AFAICT, this is largely independent of data.

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      7. Eric J Feczko‏ @EricFeczko 15 Oct 2018
        Replying to @flourneuro @cornu_copiae and

        Unless efforts are made to clean the data, calling this a replication effort misleads readers unfamiliar with nuances of rs-fcMRI preprocessing. That doesn't mean drysdale is valid either. Rather, both papers have critical, addresable flaws that render interpretations meaningless

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      8. John Flournoy‏ @flourneuro 15 Oct 2018
        Replying to @EricFeczko @cornu_copiae and

        I think both papers provide useful information (i.e. I don't think all interpretations are meaningless), though admittedly I am still working through Drysdale et al to understand exactly what they did re the post-clustering classifiers.

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      9. Eric J Feczko‏ @EricFeczko 15 Oct 2018
        Replying to @flourneuro @cornu_copiae and

        Indeed. In a similar vein, it would be great if drysdale et al adopted the identification and validation approaches of dinga et al, which are excellent and clearly delineated.

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