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Content designer and UX generalist. Currently helping design shipping and delivery products @shopify. he/him

Asheville, NC
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    1. Devin Asaro‏ @copydev Jan 27
      Replying to @hilarymarsh

      Does strategy necessarily need to be a separate role? Can a content design team not act strategically without a top-down framework? There's also a role for content design leadership or systems-focused content designers in setting broader strategy.

      2 replies 0 retweets 14 likes
    2. Hilary Marsh‏ @hilarymarsh Jan 27
      Replying to @copydev

      Content designers act strategically for the specific content they are working on - but the org needs to create a broader content strategy & ensure that each piece and group of content stays true to it. That's the content strategist's role.

      2 replies 0 retweets 18 likes
    3. Hilary Marsh‏ @hilarymarsh Jan 27
      Replying to @hilarymarsh @copydev

      The ecosystem of the organization's silos, for example, isn't something a content design team can address, IMO. Content design leadership is often management, so they're not looking at that bigger picture either. And I'm not exactly sure what systems-focused content designers are

      1 reply 0 retweets 6 likes
    4. Devin Asaro‏ @copydev Jan 27
      Replying to @hilarymarsh

      Sounds like we're talking about the same thing with different terms 😄 That's how we're set up at Shopify, with global strategy divided up between content design leadership and senior practitioners, w/ systems-focused content designers working on design systems and standards.

      1 reply 0 retweets 5 likes
    5. Devin Asaro‏ @copydev Jan 27
      Replying to @copydev @hilarymarsh

      And embedded content designers also contribute to the design system to ensure the global also strategy reflects on-the-ground needs of individual product areas.

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    6. Hilary Marsh‏ @hilarymarsh Jan 27
      Replying to @copydev

      Who sets up that system? Monitors that each product area stays true to the overall strategy? Makes sure that content has the impact it's intended to have, and that metrics are applied evenly across all areas? I wouldn't necessarily call those "design system."

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    7. Devin Asaro‏ @copydev Jan 27
      Replying to @hilarymarsh

      This distinction just doesn't comport with how product/UX-focused content design teams work. Typically we're more interested in the combined efficacy of content and design to enable specific tasks via interaction, rather than the individual performance of "content" as such.

      3 replies 0 retweets 8 likes
    8. Hilary Marsh‏ @hilarymarsh Jan 27
      Replying to @copydev

      Fascinating.

      2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
    9. John Collins‏ @jrc_collins Jan 27
      Replying to @hilarymarsh @copydev

      I created this graphic and have been socializing it the last few months. IMO, these 4 roles overlap and could be done by a single person for small projects or could be specializations on bigger projects. Shameless plug: Giving a talk in a few weeks on this https://uxwriterconference.com/sessions/four-emerging-roles-in-content-and-how-they-can-shape-your-career/ …pic.twitter.com/rxZMaSOjzE

      Diagram showing overlap of content strategy, content design, content ops, and content engineering
      3 replies 0 retweets 5 likes
    10. John Collins‏ @jrc_collins Jan 27
      Replying to @jrc_collins @hilarymarsh @copydev

      I’ve explained it this way: Content strategy is, well, strategic. Content design is tactical.

      2 replies 2 retweets 4 likes
      Devin Asaro‏ @copydev Jan 27
      Replying to @jrc_collins @hilarymarsh

      Tactical design isn't really...design, is it? We don't make the distinction between strategy and design in other UX disciplines.

      11:47 AM - 27 Jan 2021
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        2. John Collins‏ @jrc_collins Jan 27
          Replying to @copydev @hilarymarsh

          I'll concede you have a point, but at the same time I've seen "design strategist" roles. At some point, all design has to get tactical or nothing gets done. Visually, someone has to push pixels; content-wise, someone has to write the "Cancel" button.

          1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
        3. John Collins‏ @jrc_collins Jan 27
          Replying to @jrc_collins @copydev @hilarymarsh

          But at some point, maybe it shifts from a roles debate to a job titles debate, which is an exercise in futility.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
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        2. Actually,‏ @eaton Jan 27
          Replying to @copydev @jrc_collins @hilarymarsh

          The distinction @karenmcgrane and @beep and I have used when discussing it boils down to: "Content Strategy" is primarily concerned with the systems that enable and guide the tactical efforts; "Content Design" is the creation of discrete content artifacts to realize the strategy

          2 replies 0 retweets 6 likes
        3. Hilary Marsh‏ @hilarymarsh Jan 27
          Replying to @eaton @copydev and

          Yes - love this!

          0 replies 0 retweets 1 like
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