I doubt it will matter much -- can we move away from this notion that the vast majority of Trump voters care what liberals say about anything? It's not as if they'd vote differently if Robert De Niro didn't curse in public.
I think members of the Trump coalition are more likely to be energized and less likely to be turned off by flagrant incivility than members of the relatively more civil anti-Trump coalition. Do you disagree?https://twitter.com/tomscocca/status/1010920260030083073 …
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How liberals behave can energize or mitigate support for Trump, though. How liberals speak can alienate moderates and those who don't follow news closely. See alsohttps://www.washingtonpost.com/news/posteverything/wp/2017/12/26/to-beat-president-trump-you-have-to-learn-to-think-like-his-supporters/?utm_term=.c549f1ff01ac …
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There is a strange tendency for people to decide that what they read in 100 twitter feeds defines how Democrats are campaigning in races across the country.
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Of course it doesn’t, but my feed is filled with influential people convincing one another that an all out incivility fest against Trump voters is the best way forward
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I read their argument differently. As opinion makers, they are saying that enforcing norms of discourse civility sends a message that this is a conventional political moment, and that this is dangerously misleading.
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There's a difference b/w shunning political operatives like Sanders, who shld know better, and saying it doesn't matter how you treat Trump voters. I tend to think the former is appropriate and important, while the latter is counterproductive.
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I generally agree with that
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Great! Not to be contentious, but what did you mean by "move away from notion that Trump voters care abt wht liberals say?"
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They called Hillary a serial killer but sure, we gotta be nice to them or else they'll vote the same way they always do. For muh civility.
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The question isn't who they'll vote for if they show up; the question is whether they'll show up. "Muh civility" might be a way to bore them into staying home.
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Oh, I'm pretty sure Trump is going to keep pounding out more racist policies and anti-immigrant hysteria to keep them coming out. They will *always* create a liberal bogeyman no matter what we do. These are the same people who dreamed up "death panels", FFS.
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Bingo. The idea that if we walk on eggshells they won't still be crazy af doesn't stand up to scrutiny
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These people have massive outrage campaigns about the color of starbucks coffee cups. The idea that they will ever not pretend to be persecuted is just... silly.
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This take is so bad. They don't care about anything. Civil response? We're cucks or libtards. Uncivil response? We're resorting to cursing instead of making a valid point. There is no winning an argument with them so to hell with civility.
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Oh look it's the "Democrats need to worry about Trump's base and not the massive base of apatheic liberal voters who are sick of timid Democrats" take. How new and exciting.
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Trumpers are gonna hate on something - it's what unites them. Incivility is their raison d'etre.
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They agree with Trump’s American Carnage even when disproven by facts. I feel like it’s a political mob lynching party. They are out to exact vengeance against the “other”. They are haters all right. Perhaps one day, they will feel ashamed.
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The last thing the D's need to do more is think in terms of the meta-game. They've often talked themselves out of simple strategy in favor of moderation and some vague notion of "electability." The base is saying, "Fuck these people, let's get 'em." They'd be wise to listen.
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Meanwhile, actual issues with material impact on people's lives are going onhttps://twitter.com/NinjaEconomics/status/1011064158656258048?s=19 …
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...those tariffs you mentioned are killing businesses & could ruin relations with our allies & trading partners. Those types of topics warrant trending...but Maxine Waters, Sarah Sanders having to go to a different restaurant to eat, and a jacket Melania wore get more attention.
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