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    1. Casey Muratori‏ @cmuratori Oct 25
      Replying to @j_KN0X

      It was well known at the time of the article, but the final report was missing. This whole thing is a disaster zone that for some reason "the media" has ignored completely, presumably because they aren't interested in things like, you know, _what is actually happening_ :)

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    2. Casey Muratori‏ @cmuratori Oct 25
      Replying to @cmuratori @j_KN0X

      But if you want the full story, what happened was that The Intercept FOIA'd to get the EcoHealth grants. They got them back, but one of the reports was missing. The government hadn't withheld it - EcoHealth _had not filed it_, in violation of their grant.

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    3. Casey Muratori‏ @cmuratori Oct 25
      Replying to @cmuratori @j_KN0X

      I am not clear (and we may not know?) exactly what then transpired, but the NIH's compliance department either demanded the report be filed, or EcoHealth voluntarily filed it after The Intercept reported it missing, or something.

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    4. Casey Muratori‏ @cmuratori Oct 25
      Replying to @cmuratori @j_KN0X

      _That_ report, which _was_ filed after the article you cited, is the one where they admit that they ended up doing gain of function research, although they claim it was accidental. Which, it definitely wasn't by any sane read, but, let's just give them the benefit of the doubt :)

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    5. Casey Muratori‏ @cmuratori Oct 25
      Replying to @cmuratori @j_KN0X

      So the reason why someone might not mention the NIH grant prior to the missing report being filed is because the public was not yet in possession of any documents where EcoHealth admitted to performing GOF. Does that make sense?

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    6. Casey Muratori‏ @cmuratori Oct 25
      Replying to @cmuratori @j_KN0X

      I know this is confusing. This is, of course, why I get very angry with people who dismiss COVID origins things as a "conspiracy theory", because guess what folks, even just the evidence we already have is an intricate enough conspiracy that it's not a theory, it's just fact :)

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    7. Casey Muratori‏ @cmuratori Oct 25
      Replying to @cmuratori @j_KN0X

      The question at this point, as far as I'm concerned, is more like "how big is this conspiracy, and in what way did it affect the pandemic", because we are still getting major documents released every week, and each one if more shocking than the next.

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    8. Casey Muratori‏ @cmuratori Oct 25
      Replying to @cmuratori @j_KN0X

      At this point we have know way of knowing how many people and institutions were involved, and we don't know to what extent they are implicated, whether it was a "harmless coverup" of some things that didn't cause the pandemic, or whether it's a blatant coverup that did, etc.

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    9. Casey Muratori‏ @cmuratori Oct 25
      Replying to @cmuratori @j_KN0X

      The only thing we know for sure is that if you read mainstream press about this subject you are completely ignorant of the alarming facts we already know for certain, which is unfortunate, but those are the times in which we now live :(

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    10. Jeff Knox‏ @j_KN0X Oct 25
      Replying to @cmuratori

      I agree this got complicated, and I believe it went from conspiracy theory to evidence-based coverup. But maybe we have different definitions of mainstream media? Because I see it being discussed, and I would bet Krampus's left knuckle the coverage will only increase. :-)

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      Casey Muratori‏ @cmuratori Oct 25
      Replying to @j_KN0X

      I suppose the place I would disagree was that it was ever a conspiracy theory. My initial read of the evidence in the first few months was that it was probably a lab insertion of a cleavage site, and all evidence was and has remained consistent with that the entire time.

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        1. Casey Muratori‏ @cmuratori Oct 25
          Replying to @cmuratori @j_KN0X

          The only thing surprising to me was the amount of evidence we have been receiving lately. I was expecting the involved parties to have more plausible deniability than what we have seen, perhaps because I was underestimating the incompetence of the people involved :)

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        2. Jeff Knox‏ @j_KN0X Oct 25
          Replying to @cmuratori

          I agree the basic idea was plausible, but by conspiracy I mean "direct, documented evidence of government funding of virus gain of function to explicitly infect humans, that then leaked into the wild." With the caveat that all the nonsensical conspiratorial baggage is included.

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        3. Casey Muratori‏ @cmuratori Oct 25
          Replying to @j_KN0X

          I guess it depends on your definition of "conspiracy theory". These days I take it to me "far-fetched hypothesis very unlikely to be true", since that is how people use it. The "government-funded gain of function leaked into the wild" hypothesis was never that, IMO.

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