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    1. Casey Muratori‏ @cmuratori Oct 24

      [8/*] It is so frustrating that it makes me want to make a weekly show where all I do is recap what the subjects, verbs, and objects of the week's news sentences were, because apparently nobody can handle that if it gets even slightly complicated.

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    2. Casey Muratori‏ @cmuratori Oct 24

      [9/*] Like it seems that people on Twitter can only handle one subject. Like there was a grant proposal. They could handle that. But once there were two grant proposals, that's the end of it. Their brain can't track two similar things at the same time, so it's over?

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    3. Jeff Knox‏ @j_KN0X Oct 24
      Replying to @cmuratori

      In all seriousness though, I read a piece from the Telegraph [1] and only came out with the idea that there was a single proposal to DARPA by a US org. Please tell me it is not obvious that there is a 2nd, funded proposal mentioned in that article. 😬 [1]https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/09/21/wuhan-scientists-planned-releaseskin-penetrating-nanoparticles/ …

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    4. Casey Muratori‏ @cmuratori Oct 24
      Replying to @j_KN0X

      So that article seems to require a login, so I don't know, but it is entirely possible that the author never mentions the other grant. You can read the other grant, and the progress reports, on-line since the Intercept FOIA'd them (unlike the DARPA grant, which was a "leak")

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    5. Casey Muratori‏ @cmuratori Oct 24
      Replying to @cmuratori @j_KN0X

      With regards to the topic of that article specifically, I don't know if the "spew particles into caves to modify bat immunity FOR SCIENCE" idea from the (unfunded) DARPA grant was ever carried out, because I don't recall seeing it in the 900+ pages of the (funded) NIH grant.

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    6. Casey Muratori‏ @cmuratori Oct 24
      Replying to @cmuratori @j_KN0X

      Obviously many things took place at WIV and related institutes that we do not know about, but in terms of things we have positive confirmation of, I do not believe that was one of them. So there may have been no reason to mention the other grant in the article?

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    7. Jeff Knox‏ @j_KN0X Oct 25
      Replying to @cmuratori

      Maybe the NIH grant just wasn't well known at that time the article was written? Although the Intercept seemed to have known about it weeks before. But I count 126 grants in that FOIA request, so you might want to keep a VERY tight lid on that for now...https://theintercept.com/document/2021/09/09/the-intercept-v-national-institutes-of-health/ …

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    8. Casey Muratori‏ @cmuratori Oct 25
      Replying to @j_KN0X

      It was well known at the time of the article, but the final report was missing. This whole thing is a disaster zone that for some reason "the media" has ignored completely, presumably because they aren't interested in things like, you know, _what is actually happening_ :)

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    9. Casey Muratori‏ @cmuratori Oct 25
      Replying to @cmuratori @j_KN0X

      But if you want the full story, what happened was that The Intercept FOIA'd to get the EcoHealth grants. They got them back, but one of the reports was missing. The government hadn't withheld it - EcoHealth _had not filed it_, in violation of their grant.

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    10. Casey Muratori‏ @cmuratori Oct 25
      Replying to @cmuratori @j_KN0X

      I am not clear (and we may not know?) exactly what then transpired, but the NIH's compliance department either demanded the report be filed, or EcoHealth voluntarily filed it after The Intercept reported it missing, or something.

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      Casey Muratori‏ @cmuratori Oct 25
      Replying to @cmuratori @j_KN0X

      _That_ report, which _was_ filed after the article you cited, is the one where they admit that they ended up doing gain of function research, although they claim it was accidental. Which, it definitely wasn't by any sane read, but, let's just give them the benefit of the doubt :)

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        2. Casey Muratori‏ @cmuratori Oct 25
          Replying to @cmuratori @j_KN0X

          So the reason why someone might not mention the NIH grant prior to the missing report being filed is because the public was not yet in possession of any documents where EcoHealth admitted to performing GOF. Does that make sense?

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        3. Casey Muratori‏ @cmuratori Oct 25
          Replying to @cmuratori @j_KN0X

          I know this is confusing. This is, of course, why I get very angry with people who dismiss COVID origins things as a "conspiracy theory", because guess what folks, even just the evidence we already have is an intricate enough conspiracy that it's not a theory, it's just fact :)

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