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    1. bc1n0‏ @n00buntu Oct 20
      Replying to @cmuratori

      These 2 initial interviews have really not been with the strongest thinkers and builders in cryptocurrency. Hopefully you'll get to meet and talk with your equals in the space, because you might be doing yourself a disservice with these first 2.

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    2. Casey Muratori‏ @cmuratori Oct 20
      Replying to @n00buntu

      I didn't realize you maintained a ranking of cryptocurrency builders. Maybe you could save the world some time and publish your ranking so we can all know who the top people are without having to actually talk to people and find out what they have to say.

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    3. bc1n0‏ @n00buntu Oct 20
      Replying to @cmuratori

      Touché. No offence intended. I was merely trying to point out that there are stronger participants that you could be talking to. The rankings are public. The evidence is in what they've built and written.

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    4. Casey Muratori‏ @cmuratori Oct 20
      Replying to @n00buntu

      So far I have not seen any cryptocurrency systems I consider to be good, so if I was to take that "evidence", then my conclusion would be that there is no one worth talking to at all.

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    5. bc1n0‏ @n00buntu Oct 20
      Replying to @cmuratori

      That's fair, but it's also a bias. The question then is: what if your assessments based on what you consider "good" are wrong? You taught us that engineering is all about tradeoffs. Is the market wrong? Also, what if you are right? What should we prioritise as we build?

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    6. Casey Muratori‏ @cmuratori Oct 20
      Replying to @n00buntu

      You are arguing my point for me. The goal of these interviews is to gain perspective. That is why I _didn't_ create a ranking like you suggested, to avoid bias in the first pass.

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    7. bc1n0‏ @n00buntu Oct 20
      Replying to @cmuratori

      Would you allow me to give examples of why you need better interlocutors? 1) You mentioned the problem of irreversible transactions and were given a strange answer about a hypothetical protocol yet hash-time-locked-contracts already exist in Bitcoin:https://docs.lightning.engineering/the-lightning-network/multihop-payments/hash-time-lock-contract-htlc …

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    8. bc1n0‏ @n00buntu Oct 20
      Replying to @n00buntu @cmuratori

      2) You mentioned (perhaps tongue in cheek?) the "problem" of sending to the wrong address: This, in practice, is a difficult mistake to make e.g. by typos, because bitcoin addresses have inline checksums and your wallet will refuse to send: https://learnmeabitcoin.com/technical/checksum …

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    9. bc1n0‏ @n00buntu Oct 20
      Replying to @n00buntu @cmuratori

      3) You mentioned the oracle problem and how on-chain contracts can't enforce real-world contracts. But we do this every day using over-collateralised multisig on-chain escrow for large and small amounts of money: https://hodlhodl.com/pages/faq 

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    10. Casey Muratori‏ @cmuratori Oct 20
      Replying to @n00buntu

      No, you do not, because it is mathematically impossible. The two generals problem is unsolvable, and is proved unsolvable, so off-chain delivery of goods can never be "handled".https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two_Generals%27_Problem …

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      Casey Muratori‏ @cmuratori Oct 20
      Replying to @cmuratori @n00buntu

      This is why there is no escaping a social solution to this problem. At the end of the day, there must be things like courts, police, etc. to adjudicate disputes about whether off-chain contractual requirements were fulfilled.

      4:40 PM - 20 Oct 2021
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        2. bc1n0‏ @n00buntu Oct 20
          Replying to @cmuratori

          I think you'll find yourself in agreement with most Bitcoiners that making the money trustless allows us to better coordinate trust in the social layer. The goal is always to build better social institutions on an incorruptible strong foundation.

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        3. Casey Muratori‏ @cmuratori Oct 20
          Replying to @n00buntu

          I doubt I will, but there are a lot of interviews left, probably, so we'll see :)

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