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    1. Casey Muratori‏ @cmuratori Sep 19
      Replying to @HjalmarAstrom @androth4

      Unilateral policies are never enforced "fairly", so that assertion cannot be part of the discussion. If unilateral adjudication worked, countries wouldn't have a judicial branch, they'd just have an executive branch.

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    2. Casey Muratori‏ @cmuratori Sep 19
      Replying to @cmuratori @HjalmarAstrom @androth4

      In general, one _has to assume_ that giving a company the power to censor _necessarily assumes_ it will be unfair, because that is by definition what you have when you have no legal representation or access to an impartial judiciary.

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    3. Hjalmar Åström‏ @HjalmarAstrom Sep 19
      Replying to @cmuratori @androth4

      I was just disagreeing with the idea that misinformation is a relative term. As to your point, I think a reasonable regulation would be that companies have to publish their terms of service (Twitter doesn't for example, to my knowledge) and apply them consistently

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    4. Casey Muratori‏ @cmuratori Sep 19
      Replying to @HjalmarAstrom @androth4

      There is no such thing as "apply them consistently". Again, that is why we have a judicial branch. There will always be disagreements about what is a "consistent" application of a Terms of Service agreement.

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    5. Hjalmar Åström‏ @HjalmarAstrom Sep 19
      Replying to @cmuratori @androth4

      Right, but if they were legally required to do so then disagreements would be worked out by the legal system. This may be a terrible idea for reasons I've not thought of, but it's a compromise position which has occurred to me before.

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    6. Casey Muratori‏ @cmuratori Sep 19
      Replying to @HjalmarAstrom @androth4

      You would still need to change the current regulations for that to occur, though. All Terms of Service contracts for social media companies currently include a number of "in [company]'s sole discretion", which means they would not be subject to trial court judgement.

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    7. Casey Muratori‏ @cmuratori Sep 19
      Replying to @cmuratori @HjalmarAstrom @androth4

      So at a minimum you would be asking for a law that said social media companies "may not apply their own discretion" or something similar, which is quite similar to saying they no longer have the power to censor, etc.?

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    8. Hjalmar Åström‏ @HjalmarAstrom Sep 19
      Replying to @cmuratori @androth4

      Not exactly, they'd still have the right to censor - whether that be porn, gore, or vaccine conspiracies or something - but they wouldn't be able to pick and choose who they apply those rules to.

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    9. Casey Muratori‏ @cmuratori Sep 19
      Replying to @HjalmarAstrom @androth4

      But what is a "vaccine conspiracy"? Someone has to _judge_ whether it is a conspiracy or not. So you still get into the problem of, "why did you say A was a conspiracy, but not B, when B seems equally improbable", etc.?

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    10. Hjalmar Åström‏ @HjalmarAstrom Sep 19
      Replying to @cmuratori @androth4

      If a conspiracy theorist wanted to take a company to court for censoring them, then I imagine a court case would be capable of determining if they were spouting nonsense with no basis in evidence. However it probably wouldn't be great to clog up the system with that...

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      Casey Muratori‏ @cmuratori Sep 19
      Replying to @HjalmarAstrom @androth4

      I don't know that they can? "Conspiracy theory" is not a thing that exists in the law. Contract law has to be about things the court understands. They could in theory try it as a libel case, but, that is more an "egregiously false" or "knowingly false" kind of thing.

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        1. Hjalmar Åström‏ @HjalmarAstrom Sep 19
          Replying to @cmuratori @androth4

          Perhaps they can't in their current form, but it doesn't seem to me unreasonable that some kind of "judiciary" of some sort or another unconnected with either party could determine if someone was disseminating provably false dangerous information for example.

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