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    Casey Muratori‏ @cmuratori Sep 18

    Casey Muratori Retweeted John McDonald

    Retweeting purely so that people know I'm not crazy when I keep saying that one of the biggest problems with Linux is that the debugging tools are significantly worse than on Windows (where they are already not that great).https://twitter.com/basisspace/status/1438678322620239873 …

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    John McDonald @basisspace
    I know I shouldn’t really expect better, but it is 2021 and debugging on Linux is basically unchanged since 1998–it sucks. Especially for commercial software where you don’t want to ship your symbols to everyone.
    1:45 AM - 18 Sep 2021
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      2. Ido Yehieli  🟣‏ @tametick Sep 18
        Replying to @cmuratori

        Microsoft’s debuggers have always been the strength of their IDEs/dev tools compared to free ones available on Linux unfortunately. Even mid 90s Visual Basic had a better debugger than what you commonly get!

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      3. Alen Ladavac‏ @AlenL Sep 18
        Replying to @tametick @cmuratori

        See, that's the thing... it's not actually a dichotomy. Other platforms had great debuggers. I can remember at least DOS and Amiga. Heck, symbolic assembly debuggers on Amiga were running usability circles around gdb. It's Linux ideology of "you don't need it" that's the issue.

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      2. Beast‏ @beast_pixels Sep 18
        Replying to @cmuratori

        I wouldn't say significantly worse, just equally terrible.

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      3. Gonen Beneish‏ @gonenb Sep 18
        Replying to @beast_pixels @cmuratori

        are you kidding? its like 10 to 1

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      1. Raffaele Fragapane‏ @ThE_JacO Sep 18
        Replying to @cmuratori

        Debugging native code with binary dependencies in Linux isn't bad, it's pretty much impossible. I don't love Windows, but there is NOTHING I miss from Linux. The apologists either don't do the same type of work I've done, or are taking an ideological stance.

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      2. Jelle Van den Eynde‏ @JelleVandeneyn1 Sep 18
        Replying to @cmuratori

        Is it really so essential to be skilled at using debugger tools? Whenever I try it I seem to accomplish nothing and regret it afterwards. I've started to abandon hope that I will ever be good at it

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      3. Guntha_fr‏ @Guntha_fr Sep 18
        Replying to @JelleVandeneyn1 @cmuratori

        I see on your bio you're developing for iOS and Android; debugging on iOS is hard, debugging on Android is impossible (or at least I never managed to get it working). Though on Windows, I use VS's debugger daily and I don't consider myself "skilled" at it, I just...

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      2. Jack Bendtsen‏ @jbendtsen1 Sep 18
        Replying to @cmuratori

        Valgrind is great for spotting leaks and access errors (better than anything I've seen on Windows) but yeah actual debugging on Linux really just isn't viable

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      3. Fletcher Dunn‏ @ZPostFacto Sep 18
        Replying to @jbendtsen1 @cmuratori

        It's been years since I used valgrind, but Address Sanitizer is pretty amazing. I wasn't able to get valgrind to actually work on a real game because of performance, but asan is fast enough.

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      1. James Darpinian‏ @modeless Sep 18
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        Why did the RAD debugger project fail?

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