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    1. Jonas Kyratzes, pjf‏ @JonasKyratzes Sep 7

      I won't tweet about this any further but I want to live in a society where reactionary and idiotic movements are defeated politically, not punished on the individual level until every moron becomes a martyr and the backlash undoes a century of progress. But YMMV.

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    2. Dan Armstrong‏ @Lost_Physics Sep 7
      Replying to @JonasKyratzes

      A functional political system for deplatforming conservatives would be great, even just for the games industry, but it doesn't really exist yet. He's also American, so he's tweeting from a society that's actually right now undoing that progress with no political resistance

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    3. Jonas Kyratzes, pjf‏ @JonasKyratzes Sep 7
      Replying to @Lost_Physics

      "Deplatforming" conservatives is not the goal of any democratic movement. The goal is to show a better alternative, build popular support, and democratically enact better laws and systemic changes accordingly.

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    4. Dan Armstrong‏ @Lost_Physics Sep 7
      Replying to @JonasKyratzes

      I see what you're saying, but I think the argument we're sort of channeling here of is the "punching/deplatforming Nazis vs out-arguing them' debate. The issues is that when dealing with bad-faith actors they're looking to exploit and cirvumvent systems, not participate in them

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    5. Casey Muratori‏ @cmuratori Sep 7
      Replying to @Lost_Physics @JonasKyratzes

      No, the argument is that literal Nazis didn't think they were figurative Nazis (as used in your description). They thought other people were figurative Nazis, and therefore had to be deplatformed. Which they did. And then much, much worse followed.

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    6. Dan Armstrong‏ @Lost_Physics Sep 7
      Replying to @cmuratori @JonasKyratzes

      This might be the wildest take I've ever heard. You're starting from the premise that my definition of "nazi" wouldn't include literal actual historical nazis, whose goals you think started out as "de-platforming people" before going down the obvious slippery slope to genocide.

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      Casey Muratori‏ @cmuratori Sep 8
      Replying to @Lost_Physics @JonasKyratzes

      No, not that their goals started out as deplatforming. Their _actions_ started out as deplatforming. This is not uncommon for any regime that ends in genocide. Control of the narrative, by removing dissenting voices, is the first necessary step.

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        2. Jonas Kyratzes, pjf‏ @JonasKyratzes Sep 8
          Replying to @cmuratori @Lost_Physics

          To me, a better example is Stalinism, because the people who made excuses for Stalinist oppression did so under the impression that these harsh methods were necessary to safeguard the *very real and tangible* progress made by the revolution. And they got the opposite.

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        3. Jonas Kyratzes, pjf‏ @JonasKyratzes Sep 8
          Replying to @JonasKyratzes @cmuratori @Lost_Physics

          And a lot of that was done under the threat of capitalism, foreign imperialism, and fascism. All real threats. But these powers were used to brutally crush Bolshevik dissent, establish a new ruling class, and ultimately dissolve the Soviet Union itself.

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