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    1. Paulo Castro‏ @poliveiracastro Aug 22
      Replying to @cmuratori @leviska0

      I have been thinking about this, and I would like to share it with you and hear your take. Our society decided what is illegal (well, yours did, but you get my point). How? Isn't that just a collective imagine line on what we call "too unethical" or "too gross"?

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    2. Paulo Castro‏ @poliveiracastro Aug 22
      Replying to @poliveiracastro @cmuratori @leviska0

      Is suing going to reverse the harm? How? Who sues when the lie is about a vaccine? Who would you sue when people use bots? How do you sue when the harm comes from abroad? How to deal with that without moderation?

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    3. Casey Muratori‏ @cmuratori Aug 22
      Replying to @poliveiracastro @leviska0

      Again, this all seems incredibly myopic to me. "When the harm comes from abroad"? What about when the _help_ comes from abroad? Look at the Great Firewall of China. Is that the world you want? I just don't understand this perspective.

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    4. Casey Muratori‏ @cmuratori Aug 22
      Replying to @cmuratori @poliveiracastro @leviska0

      Either you believe that people should have some agency, and that they can decide what to read and what to believe, or you don't. If you do, why do you think you should be able to interfere with them? If you don't, why should they be on-line at all?

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    5. Casey Muratori‏ @cmuratori Aug 22
      Replying to @cmuratori @poliveiracastro @leviska0

      What is the point of letting people communicate with each other if what you really wanted was for them just to believe what you want them to believe? What is the point of the internet if it's curated? Did we even need it, then?

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    6. Iskandarov Lev‏ @leviska0 Aug 22
      Replying to @cmuratori @poliveiracastro

      But the internet is curated by government and seems like you fine with it? I'm talking about removing illegal stuff like drugs and etc.

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    7. Casey Muratori‏ @cmuratori Aug 22
      Replying to @leviska0 @poliveiracastro

      If the government does it, I'm fine with it, because it's constrained, individual rights have protection, courts are available, the democratic process exists. There is simply no comparison between a government action and a unilateral tech monopoly decision.

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    8. Paulo Castro‏ @poliveiracastro Aug 22
      Replying to @cmuratori @leviska0

      Gotcha, that makes sense. My point earlier about the harm from abroad wasn't about "the foreign threat to our lifestyle". I was being practical: I use an American platform which most users are Americans. How can I protect me if smone from abroad start spreading lies about me?

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    9. Casey Muratori‏ @cmuratori Aug 22
      Replying to @poliveiracastro @leviska0

      Well, let me flip the question around on you. If you're saying you _don't_ want a court involved in that process (as it would be currently), what do I as an American do when someone starts spreading _true_ things about you, and you silence them?

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    10. Casey Muratori‏ @cmuratori Aug 22
      Replying to @cmuratori @poliveiracastro @leviska0

      The point of having to go to court is not because there's something magical about going to court. It's because neutral arbiters where evidence is presented are crucial to determining _your motive_ for wanting the information suppressed.

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      Casey Muratori‏ @cmuratori Aug 22
      Replying to @cmuratori @poliveiracastro @leviska0

      That is now, and always has been, the problem with censorship. If you do not have a neutral arbiter where both sides are heard and must present evidence, then we have no way of knowing if that person really was spreading lies about you, or whether they were just spreading truth.

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        1. Paulo Castro‏ @poliveiracastro Aug 22
          Replying to @cmuratori @leviska0

          Oh, no, don't get me wrong: I believe a court should be a place to settle this. But that's not how it works in our world, right? We're not protected by the same laws, so how would it ever be neutral? I'm not even saying that I'm a fan of moderation, I understand your point.

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