The point is not to get rid of punishment - that's anarchy. The point is to respect the past several thousand years of human legal development instead of throwing it all away in favor of "the monarch decides what can and can't be said", which is what we've regressed to.
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Replying to @cmuratori @maxmare and
A simple question to ask is, if you are OK with censorship on Twitter, are you OK with it everywhere else? Can the government simply ban you from speaking anywhere? Ban you from handing out pamphlets? Ban you from protesting? If not, why not?
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Replying to @cmuratori @maxmare and
The same logic needs to apply at some point. If we believe that the government should not be able to silence its citizens until a court determines they have broken the law, then why do we want Twitter et al not to have similar rules?
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Replying to @cmuratori @maxmare and
Personally, I don't know that the solution would really be all that difficult. People need an impartial judiciary. If it's too complicated to use the existing one, then there's an on-line one, where people have to be tried according to national law in their region.
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Replying to @cmuratori @maxmare and
They get representation, they are judged by a jury, they can appeal. The process is open, the records are kept. This would allow actual decisions to censor people or ban them to be done in a way that was not arbitrary or capricious, as it is done currently.
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Replying to @cmuratori @AshkanAliabadi and
I have to say, I do agree with everything you say in this thread, starting with the opening message. I am not being sarcastic or ficticious. Censorship is a terrible thing and it has been used in every single oppresive regime that has existed.
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Replying to @maxmare @cmuratori and
There is such a thing where speech is used to violate people's rights. It happens as; inciting violence or self-harm, defrauding, planning insurrections or terrorist attacks. These are things that can be used to _impose_ oppressive regimes.
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Replying to @maxmare @cmuratori and
So even as I agree with the sentiments of your thoughts, you still have to answer how do we limit harmful speech in the current world that exists as it is now. (and I would not call it censorship)
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Replying to @maxmare @AshkanAliabadi and
I'm not sure what you mean. I thought I did answer that, (if you want to limit harmful speech, you must go through a standard political process, with voting to make laws, and a judiciary to impartially adjudicate them).
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Replying to @cmuratori @AshkanAliabadi and
Agreed. And that is what we have right now. I was also addressing the sentiment in the thread by others about how FOS should be unencumbered.
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The thing I would underscore is that how much freedom of speech you have is a political question, which is why I think it's important for it to go through a political process. A small segment (Twitter) deciding to effectively change the law is not a good outcome.
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