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    1. Casey Muratori‏ @cmuratori Aug 20
      Replying to @maxmare @AshkanAliabadi and

      The key thing though is that censorship is pre-punishment. Merely saying "spreading disinformation" or "inciting violence" presumes the fact that you've already proved the person was doing that. But censorship forgoes the proof, the impartial judiciary, the appeals.

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    2. Casey Muratori‏ @cmuratori Aug 20
      Replying to @cmuratori @maxmare and

      The point is not to get rid of punishment - that's anarchy. The point is to respect the past several thousand years of human legal development instead of throwing it all away in favor of "the monarch decides what can and can't be said", which is what we've regressed to.

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    3. Casey Muratori‏ @cmuratori Aug 20
      Replying to @cmuratori @maxmare and

      A simple question to ask is, if you are OK with censorship on Twitter, are you OK with it everywhere else? Can the government simply ban you from speaking anywhere? Ban you from handing out pamphlets? Ban you from protesting? If not, why not?

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    4. Casey Muratori‏ @cmuratori Aug 20
      Replying to @cmuratori @maxmare and

      The same logic needs to apply at some point. If we believe that the government should not be able to silence its citizens until a court determines they have broken the law, then why do we want Twitter et al not to have similar rules?

      1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
    5. Casey Muratori‏ @cmuratori Aug 20
      Replying to @cmuratori @maxmare and

      Personally, I don't know that the solution would really be all that difficult. People need an impartial judiciary. If it's too complicated to use the existing one, then there's an on-line one, where people have to be tried according to national law in their region.

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    6. Casey Muratori‏ @cmuratori Aug 20
      Replying to @cmuratori @maxmare and

      They get representation, they are judged by a jury, they can appeal. The process is open, the records are kept. This would allow actual decisions to censor people or ban them to be done in a way that was not arbitrary or capricious, as it is done currently.

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    7. Heidi Hendry‏ @maxmare Aug 20
      Replying to @cmuratori @AshkanAliabadi and

      I have to say, I do agree with everything you say in this thread, starting with the opening message. I am not being sarcastic or ficticious. Censorship is a terrible thing and it has been used in every single oppresive regime that has existed.

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    8. Heidi Hendry‏ @maxmare Aug 20
      Replying to @maxmare @cmuratori and

      There is such a thing where speech is used to violate people's rights. It happens as; inciting violence or self-harm, defrauding, planning insurrections or terrorist attacks. These are things that can be used to _impose_ oppressive regimes.

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    9. Heidi Hendry‏ @maxmare Aug 20
      Replying to @maxmare @cmuratori and

      So even as I agree with the sentiments of your thoughts, you still have to answer how do we limit harmful speech in the current world that exists as it is now. (and I would not call it censorship)

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    10. Heidi Hendry‏ @maxmare Aug 20
      Replying to @maxmare @cmuratori and

      A solution using the judicial branch of government would be a good solution, if it is made up to scale. In the present though litigation is only available to people with resources as I know from experience. Bad actors know and use this fact as well.

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      Casey Muratori‏ @cmuratori Aug 20
      Replying to @maxmare @AshkanAliabadi and

      But if that is your complaint with it, then you should have that complaint more broadly. Meaning the proposed reform should not be "Twitter fixes this on-line, on their platform only". The proposed reform should be how you would like to change Article III courts.

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