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    1. Heidi Hendry‏ @maxmare Aug 19
      Replying to @AshkanAliabadi @cmuratori and

      Ok, what lessons did we learn after all the propaganda(mistake) poured onto citizens of a democracy(child) in Germany in the 19-20,30s?(fall)

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    2. Ashkan Aliabadi‏ @AshkanAliabadi Aug 19
      Replying to @maxmare @cmuratori and

      Why assume those atrocities would have had not happened in an alternate history where a big brother figure had controlled thought flow? More people died under Stalin, Lenin, and Mao than both world wars combined. Wouldn't say that at least a free society (Germans) had a higher

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    3. Ashkan Aliabadi‏ @AshkanAliabadi Aug 19
      Replying to @AshkanAliabadi @maxmare and

      chance of preventing those events? What alternative do you suggest they should have tried?

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    4. Heidi Hendry‏ @maxmare Aug 19
      Replying to @AshkanAliabadi @cmuratori and

      Easy. That big brother figure you use as a negative should be all of us. All of us as a society can decide to not let legal entities in the debate. No bots, no ads, no money. Lying, and deceiving need to be counter acted. Throwing your hand in the air is not a good option.

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    5. Ashkan Aliabadi‏ @AshkanAliabadi Aug 19
      Replying to @maxmare @cmuratori and

      I never said we should throw our hands in the air!! I explicitly said a few tweets above that it is on us all to put in the hard work to engage in dialogue to sway the consensus! Having said that, I did, and still do, maintain that censorship is not the way.

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    6. Heidi Hendry‏ @maxmare Aug 19
      Replying to @AshkanAliabadi @cmuratori and

      Nothing learned. You already have what you mis-call censorship. Try inciting violence in any public forum, public or private and see what happens. We need regulations, because dialogue is not enough. It has been that way only since humans have been human.

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    7. Casey Muratori‏ @cmuratori Aug 20
      Replying to @maxmare @AshkanAliabadi and

      The key thing though is that censorship is pre-punishment. Merely saying "spreading disinformation" or "inciting violence" presumes the fact that you've already proved the person was doing that. But censorship forgoes the proof, the impartial judiciary, the appeals.

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    8. Casey Muratori‏ @cmuratori Aug 20
      Replying to @cmuratori @maxmare and

      The point is not to get rid of punishment - that's anarchy. The point is to respect the past several thousand years of human legal development instead of throwing it all away in favor of "the monarch decides what can and can't be said", which is what we've regressed to.

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    9. Casey Muratori‏ @cmuratori Aug 20
      Replying to @cmuratori @maxmare and

      A simple question to ask is, if you are OK with censorship on Twitter, are you OK with it everywhere else? Can the government simply ban you from speaking anywhere? Ban you from handing out pamphlets? Ban you from protesting? If not, why not?

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    10. Casey Muratori‏ @cmuratori Aug 20
      Replying to @cmuratori @maxmare and

      The same logic needs to apply at some point. If we believe that the government should not be able to silence its citizens until a court determines they have broken the law, then why do we want Twitter et al not to have similar rules?

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      Casey Muratori‏ @cmuratori Aug 20
      Replying to @cmuratori @maxmare and

      Personally, I don't know that the solution would really be all that difficult. People need an impartial judiciary. If it's too complicated to use the existing one, then there's an on-line one, where people have to be tried according to national law in their region.

      12:14 AM - 20 Aug 2021
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        2. Casey Muratori‏ @cmuratori Aug 20
          Replying to @cmuratori @maxmare and

          They get representation, they are judged by a jury, they can appeal. The process is open, the records are kept. This would allow actual decisions to censor people or ban them to be done in a way that was not arbitrary or capricious, as it is done currently.

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