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    1. Casey Muratori‏ @cmuratori Jul 25

      [7/*] I then go to a personal GMail account. You may ask why I have that. I have that because, even though now you can, you could not get Google Fi with G Suite originally, because that didn't work for several years. So I _already had_ a second account because of that nonsense.

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    2. Casey Muratori‏ @cmuratori Jul 25

      [8/*] I signed up for YouTube Premium on that account. That seemed to work fine. So far, so good. I hit the "upgrade" button, and this time, it worked. It let me pay the upcharge and have a Family.

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    3. Casey Muratori‏ @cmuratori Jul 25

      [9/*] I created a dummy account on GMail that was just for logging into the PlayStation, and I added it to my family. I also, just to see, tried adding my G Suite account to the family. It of course let me. And it even sent the invitation.

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    4. Casey Muratori‏ @cmuratori Jul 25

      [10/*] But then when I clicked to accept the invitation, it brought me to a page saying that I couldn't join my family, because I was on G Suite. No big surprise there!

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    5. Casey Muratori‏ @cmuratori Jul 25

      [11/*] So now I believe I am ready to log in to YouTube on the PlayStation, having insulated myself from the rather obvious security hole that neither Google nor Sony seems to think is concerning (which is especially amusing, considering Sony has had major hacks in the past).

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    6. Casey Muratori‏ @cmuratori Jul 25

      [12/*] I click "TV & Video" on the Sony menu bar. This brings me to a menu, but YouTube is oddly absent. YouTubeTV is in its place, I guess because they are pushing that for the Olympics? So I go into the Apps and launch YouTube from there.

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    7. Casey Muratori‏ @cmuratori Jul 25

      [13/*] I select "Sign In" from the menu, and it comes up with a EULA. I agree. It comes up with _an embedded web browser - the slowest one you can possible imagine_, and shows the Google sign-in.

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    8. Catalin Balan‏ @laserbeam333 Jul 25
      Replying to @cmuratori

      The browser is possibly the only acceptable part of the story. OAuth(-like) stuff kinda requires it. Google is providing the sign in form here, not Sony. It's likely that your password never goes to Sony, just Google (I mean, unless they have a keylogger in the browser).

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    9. Catalin Balan‏ @laserbeam333 Jul 25
      Replying to @laserbeam333 @cmuratori

      OAuth, SAML, and other auth protocols are pretty ingenious in this regard, and if you saw the standard google form you used one of 'em. They make it pretty hard to screw up security. Sony doesn't get your pass, and whatever tokens Sony gets can't be used by other apps/services.

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    10. Casey Muratori‏ @cmuratori Jul 25
      Replying to @laserbeam333

      The virtual keyboard on the PS4 remembers everything you've typed for future autocomplete. It is _literally_ a keylogger. All it would take is a small bug - or even it accidentally just not marking that password box as a password - and your password would be visible to all users.

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      Casey Muratori‏ @cmuratori Jul 25
      Replying to @cmuratori @laserbeam333

      It is 100% not a secure environment to enter a password, period.

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        2. Catalin Balan‏ @laserbeam333 Jul 25
          Replying to @cmuratori

          Agreed. But by design Google is implementing the form and Sony never sees your password. It's safer than having a native input field implemented by Sony. Otherwise, Sony would have to log in for you, with your pass. The keylogger/bad actor problem exists in both scenarios.

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        3. Catalin Balan‏ @laserbeam333 Jul 25
          Replying to @laserbeam333 @cmuratori

          The whole point for the browser is that Sony doesn't NEED to even store the password in memory with this design to log you in, let alone in a database. It should be all in Google's code. Yes browser is shitty, yes bugs can happen, but it's still safer than a native input field.

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