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    1. Wisam‏ @wisam910 Jul 23
      Replying to @Deltabeard @stewartlynch8 @cmuratori

      Does not pan out in reality. You must assume the hivemind is smart. My experience tells me the opposite. A team of two or three people dedicating their time to a product over the span of years will produce a higher quality than a bazaar of randos.

      4 replies 0 retweets 28 likes
    2. Zyper‏ @Zyper_pl Jul 23
      Replying to @wisam910 @Deltabeard and

      Bad programmers produce bad quality code regardless of it being open-source or not. There are many great OSS projects with hundreds of contributors. Accepting bad code isn't mandatory.

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    3. meglio‏ @meglio Jul 23
      Replying to @Zyper_pl @wisam910 and

      Accepting bad code is not mandatory. But reviewing it in order to refuse takes time. And then you have to explain why you refused, which also takes time. Anf you don’t do all of that, people will start saying bad things about your software affecting its reputation.

      1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
    4. Wisam‏ @wisam910 Jul 23
      Replying to @meglio @Zyper_pl and

      The notion that code must be reviewed is just odd to me. Even offensive. Most of code review comments I've seen are just about style, hardly ever about substance.

      3 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
    5. meglio‏ @meglio Jul 24
      Replying to @wisam910 @Zyper_pl and

      Take a look at “Facts and Fallacies of Software Development” Robert L Glass, where it is clearly shown based on multiple researches and examples how p2p code reviews are one of the most efficient ways to eliminate bugs and bad design earlier.

      2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
    6. Casey Muratori‏ @cmuratori Jul 24
      Replying to @meglio @wisam910 and

      The problem with this kind of "research", however, is that nobody has explained why there is so much terrible design and bug-ridden software shipped by companies that do exactly these practices.

      1 reply 0 retweets 4 likes
    7. Casey Muratori‏ @cmuratori Jul 24
      Replying to @cmuratori @meglio and

      If the argument is that, say, Google is shipping "slightly less buggy and slightly better designed, but still terrible" software because they mandate lots of code reviews, I would say, well, then we need to figure out something else, because "slightly" isn't good enough.

      1 reply 0 retweets 3 likes
    8. meglio‏ @meglio Jul 24
      Replying to @cmuratori @wisam910 and

      In the original context, i.e. accepting merge request to an Open Source product, what would be a better way to block low quality code from entering the codebase? Now that code reviews are questioned per se, what would be an efficient way to give feedback and ask for improvements?

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    9. Casey Muratori‏ @cmuratori Jul 24
      Replying to @meglio @wisam910 and

      I guess I'm not sure what you are talking about now. You were citing "Fact and Fallacies of Software Development", which is not about open source software, as evidence for "P2P code reviews". I am simply saying, that is not a useful citation.

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    10. Casey Muratori‏ @cmuratori Jul 24
      Replying to @cmuratori @meglio and

      If you're asking me how I would organize an open source project where I had no idea who was contributing to it or why, I guess I would say, don't do that? The only software I know that is good is written by small teams of people who are all very good.

      1 reply 0 retweets 6 likes
      Casey Muratori‏ @cmuratori Jul 24
      Replying to @cmuratori @meglio and

      I have never seen a low-bug, high-perf project that relied on code reviewing code from people who are not very good as a strategy. If it has ever worked, I am unaware of the project where it did.

      2:28 PM - 24 Jul 2021
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        2. Casey Muratori‏ @cmuratori Jul 24
          Replying to @cmuratori @meglio and

          If someone wants to make the claim that "code reviews are essential to shipping large-team mediocre software", I would not necessarily challenge that assertion.

          1 reply 2 retweets 6 likes
        3. Casey Muratori‏ @cmuratori Jul 24
          Replying to @cmuratori @meglio and

          If someone wants to make the claim that "code reviews are essential to shipping high-quality software" I would challenge that assertion, because the only high-quality software projects I can think of do not use code reviews.

          2 replies 1 retweet 5 likes
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