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    Casey Muratori‏ @cmuratori Jul 13

    The modern idea of "good food" is that it is made from simple, unprocessed ingredients; but the modern idea of "good code" involves thousands of files and dozens of libraries, which themselves are often made from thousands more files and libraries...

    7:05 PM - 13 Jul 2021
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      1. Casey Muratori‏ @cmuratori Jul 13

        Since both of these things are entirely perception-based (we have no hard "metrics" for what is good food or good code), it is interesting to see how beliefs like this diverge.

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      2. Jack‏ @wontruefree Jul 13
        Replying to @cmuratori

        This is a great analogy. I will have to use this when referring to code. I will say most of my projects that have these sprawls of libraries have sprawls off concerns. It is hard to even integrate all the regulations or projects we interface with

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      3. Jari Komppa‏ @Sol_HSA Jul 13
        Replying to @wontruefree @cmuratori

        Someone suggested "lasagne code" as the new "spaghetti code".

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      2. Digital Shay‏ @TheDigitalShay Jul 13
        Replying to @cmuratori

        Usually justified by saying "don't reinvent the wheel." It doesn't matter if the wheel involved is square and deflated.

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      3. Pierre Terdiman‏ @PierreTerdiman Jul 13
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        https://twitter.com/PierreTerdiman/status/1415190936242597888?s=20 …

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        Pierre Terdiman @PierreTerdiman
        Look, "reinventing the wheel" is a misleading expression. It's not about reinventing the *concept* of the wheel (which indeed we don't improve much upon). It's about reinventing/improving the TIRES. Which is totally something that happens all the time! https://www.bridgestoneamericas.com/en/corporate-social-responsibility/safety/tires-101/tire-technology …
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      1. Andrew Ulysses Baker‏ @failratePrime Jul 13
        Replying to @cmuratori

        The ingredients themselves are usually pretty complex in their raw form. We just abstract that down to "onion" or "lamb shank".

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      2. 我不会说中文‏ @istartedi Jul 13
        Replying to @cmuratori

        Do they really though? Things like browsers may be regarded as "good", but not "good code" because everybody knows it's full of bloat and redundancy that just happens to be getting the job done for now.

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      3. Russ‏ @iammathboy Jul 13
        Replying to @istartedi @cmuratori

        Pretty sure that code as described is "good" in the same way that government is "good." No one actively likes the job that's being done, but tearing things down doesn't really carry a whole lot of desirable benefits either.

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      2. bc1n0‏ @n00buntu Jul 13
        Replying to @cmuratori

        Lowly Android dev here. I joined a team and the app literally has ~100 third-party dependencies I'm tasked to audit. A fun error is "Compilation failed in 421 seconds".

        5 replies 0 retweets 18 likes
      3. Jari Komppa‏ @Sol_HSA Jul 13
        Replying to @n00buntu @cmuratori

        How do you manage 3rd party licenses at that scale?

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