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    1. Jonathan Blow‏ @Jonathan_Blow Jul 11
      Replying to @al45tair @StevenBHutton and

      Those package managers all look to me like a giant disaster, and the first order of business should be to eliminate all of it. So if you are using that as an example of how to do things well, I am not riding that train.

      2 replies 1 retweet 21 likes
    2. Casey Muratori‏ @cmuratori Jul 11
      Replying to @Jonathan_Blow @al45tair and

      Separately, there was no acknowledgement or rectifying of failure of terrible ideas that were pushed specifically to avoid things like this. So, COM is still here, which was supposed to "solve" the versioning problem, but we _also_ now have package managers. It's truly insane.

      2 replies 0 retweets 14 likes
    3. Octave‏ @moskitoc_ Jul 11
      Replying to @cmuratori @Jonathan_Blow and

      What sane ways to deal with versioning and dependencies are you aware of ? It seems to me that the problem itself is unavoidable if you want reusable pieces software that can evolve, but I don't know of environments where it's not a nightmare to deal with.

      2 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
    4. Casey Muratori‏ @cmuratori Jul 11
      Replying to @moskitoc_ @Jonathan_Blow and

      Just don't. Basically none of the things that are done today with package managers, containers, etc. actually need to be done. A statically linked executable would have worked, it's just people no longer even know how to build such a thing.

      4 replies 2 retweets 39 likes
    5. Federico Bett‏ @fede_cba Jul 11
      Replying to @cmuratori @moskitoc_ and

      The problem with that approach is what happens when for example there is a security issue in the library. If you statically link you need to release a new version. This happened already with openssl for example.

      2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
    6. Jonathan Blow‏ @Jonathan_Blow Jul 11
      Replying to @fede_cba @cmuratori and

      This is solely due to operating system implementation details that would be easily rectifiable if anybody fucking cared.

      1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
    7. Federico Bett‏ @fede_cba Jul 11
      Replying to @Jonathan_Blow @cmuratori and

      Most issues are caused by buffer overflows or memory issues and can be prevented. But they are other side channel or timing issues that are not so easy to avoid

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    8. Jonathan Blow‏ @Jonathan_Blow Jul 11
      Replying to @fede_cba @cmuratori and

      That has nothing to do with what I am talking about. Why do you think static libraries can't be patched?

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    9. Federico Bett‏ @fede_cba Jul 11
      Replying to @Jonathan_Blow @cmuratori and

      It can, but every single program linking it has to update. And that won't happen with most software.

      3 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
    10. Federico Bett‏ @fede_cba Jul 11
      Replying to @fede_cba @Jonathan_Blow and

      Basically imho both approaches have issues. So is kind of a pick your poison situation

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      Casey Muratori‏ @cmuratori Jul 11
      Replying to @fede_cba @Jonathan_Blow and

      Except they don't have the same number of issues is my point. Static linking at least ensures that we are all talking about the same configuration. Dynamic linking means it is very difficult to know what the security status of a server even is.

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