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    1. Jonathan Blow‏ @Jonathan_Blow May 18
      Replying to @trishume

      I think they should work to fix the actual problem, which is that browsers are lame.

      1 reply 0 retweets 8 likes
    2. Tristan Hume‏ @trishume May 18
      Replying to @Jonathan_Blow

      Okay so if nobody should work on abstracting GPU APIs in browsers, what about native? Given current APIs as fixed, do you endorse efforts to try to write a hardened abstraction over them, or just give up and everyone writes for each platform manually?

      1 reply 0 retweets 5 likes
    3. Jonathan Blow‏ @Jonathan_Blow May 18
      Replying to @trishume

      I think we should do what we did in the 1970s, which worked much better than what we are doing today.

      1 reply 0 retweets 6 likes
    4. Tristan Hume‏ @trishume May 18
      Replying to @Jonathan_Blow

      But that's not an option if I want to program GPUs today. I want a CPU-style toolchain straight to machine code for major GPUs cross-platform too. But that's not an option unless I form a decade-long conspiracy of friends to become execs at Apple, MSFT, AMD, Intel, Nvidia...

      2 replies 0 retweets 18 likes
    5. Jonathan Blow‏ @Jonathan_Blow May 18
      Replying to @trishume

      Somebody has to be the adult in the room or things will continue to get worse.

      1 reply 0 retweets 3 likes
    6. Tristan Hume‏ @trishume May 18
      Replying to @Jonathan_Blow

      Like which concrete people do you want to do what concrete action? Everyone should stop working on GPU stuff until execs pay attention to the strike? Just everyone complain on Twitter? Anyone who wants to use a GPU should try to become a MSFT GPU exec instead?

      2 replies 0 retweets 11 likes
    7. Casey Muratori‏ @cmuratori May 18
      Replying to @trishume @Jonathan_Blow

      AMD, nVidia, and Intel each define their own long-term binary ISA and we compile to them. This is what we've been doing for literally decades on every other platform known to mankind. It's time for GPU vendors to stop getting a free pass.

      1 reply 2 retweets 6 likes
    8. Casey Muratori‏ @cmuratori May 18
      Replying to @cmuratori @trishume @Jonathan_Blow

      Instead, for some reason we have these "APIs" that are supposed to make programmer easier, but all they do is multiply the problem, because now you have m APIs times n drivers, so it's an O(m*n) compat problem when it could have just been O(n). It's insane and absurd.

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    9. Tristan Hume‏ @trishume May 18
      Replying to @cmuratori @Jonathan_Blow

      Yup, everyone wants this, although I think an almost-assembly like CUDA PTX might enable evolution better. The hard part is how to start a project which leads to all OSs and GPU manufacturers coordinating. I think Apple is best integrated for it, but Google much more likely to.

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    10. hishnash‏ @hishnash May 18
      Replying to @trishume @cmuratori @Jonathan_Blow

      The thing is to get the real benefits out of the hardware your going to need to do hardware specific stuff. And all the hardware can't just be the same due to patents etc.

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      Casey Muratori‏ @cmuratori May 18
      Replying to @hishnash @trishume @Jonathan_Blow

      I don't want one ISA. I mean that's fine if it can happen, but I don't care. I just want an ISA per vendor. There is no reason we can't have this right now, because they all basically do - we just need people to stop with the API layers and make OSes load GPU ISAs like CPU.

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        2. hishnash‏ @hishnash May 19
          Replying to @cmuratori @trishume @Jonathan_Blow

          You mean not doing final compilation at runtime? That has impacts on performance

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        3. Casey Muratori‏ @cmuratori May 19
          Replying to @hishnash @trishume @Jonathan_Blow

          So does doing final compilation at runtime.

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