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    2. Chuan L‏ @chuan_l 22 Sep 2020
      Replying to @Jonathan_Blow

      Thats a poor comprison — Monkeys only know how to shakespeare. For an example of unified effort " Netflix " microservices is a better comparison , and beats " Fornite " in terms of skill and craftmanship. 700 micro services all working with minimal latency , and load times.

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    4. Dmitrii‏ @dmitriid 23 Sep 2020
      Replying to @Jonathan_Blow @chuan_l

      Once you pop, you can’t stop :) In reality, to *show* movies you’ll only need a CDN. But then there’s ingest, and transcoding, and consumption tracking, and figuring out which movie and consumption will result in payment to which license holder, and creating previews, ...

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    5. Dmitrii‏ @dmitriid 23 Sep 2020
      Replying to @dmitriid @Jonathan_Blow @chuan_l

      … and generating previews and thumbnails, and recommendation systems, and notifications, and billing, and reporting, and so on and so forth. Source: worked at content companies

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      Casey Muratori‏ @cmuratori 23 Sep 2020
      Replying to @Jonathan_Blow @dmitriid @chuan_l

      There exist good reasons for segmenting an architecture in a way not too dissimilar to microservices, but I have yet to see anyone actually apply them, because as far as I can tell web companies use microservices to work around Conway's Law, not to create good architectures.

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        2. Fellshard‏ @kenogulabz 23 Sep 2020
          Replying to @cmuratori @Jonathan_Blow and

          I'd modify that wording slightly - it's to work /within/ Conway's Law. I've seen it mostly-successfully used at one org, where the repartitioning of teams and services were both equally viable if a business case could be made for doing so, included technical issues.

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        3. Fellshard‏ @kenogulabz 23 Sep 2020
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          Basically, since Conway's Law will always take effect, don't fight it, but rather roll with it. But naively locking down the org structure while allowing services to be spun out willy-nilly is a recipe for disaster: ownership and unified priorities per team is necessary.

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        1. David Santiago‏ @da5ids 23 Sep 2020
          Replying to @cmuratori @Jonathan_Blow and

          Have you explained this anywhere? I'd be interested in your perspective on microservices.

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        2. Tose Nikolov‏ @ToseNikolov 23 Sep 2020
          Replying to @cmuratori @Jonathan_Blow and

          Not really. Right now we are at the stage where one developer craps out 7-8 microservices per month.

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        3. Casey Muratori‏ @cmuratori 23 Sep 2020
          Replying to @ToseNikolov @Jonathan_Blow and

          Yes. This is just Conway's Law in the developer's brain, which itself is segmented and unable to harmonize different things it has been taught. Conway's Law holds even inside a single developer's (poorly integrated) brain.

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        1. Zara‏ @vzaramel 23 Sep 2020
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          Would like to know what are the good reasons? Failure handling?

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        2. Mike Southron‏ @SouthyUK 23 Sep 2020
          Replying to @cmuratori @Jonathan_Blow and

          The biggest problem with 'microservices' is doing it well takes a disproportionate amount of effort and maintenance over just making your code run faster. So people just do it badly and we end up with 500ms response times that have to be hidden behind async React bullshit.

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        3. Dmitrii‏ @dmitriid 23 Sep 2020
          Replying to @SouthyUK @cmuratori and

          When your fast code is in a monolith, you can’t run faster. Because you end up coordinating 15 teams to do a release in a worse case scenario (same case scenario for bad microservices). It’s not all black and white, it’s all shades of gray and blotches of color here and there.

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        2. Dmitrii‏ @dmitriid 23 Sep 2020
          Replying to @cmuratori @Jonathan_Blow @chuan_l

          I think this is the bane of companies above a certain size (above 150-200 people?). Up to that size a lot of stuff is built aroun dbusiness needs and domains. Finances here, streaming there, etc. Then disaster strikes: 1/

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        3. Dmitrii‏ @dmitriid 23 Sep 2020
          Replying to @dmitriid @cmuratori and

          Now you have finance split into consumption, subscriptions, payments, payouts, and third-party integrations. You have streaming split into an increasing number of teams. And so on. And now you have Conway’s law in full swing, and a gazillion microservices to reflect that 2/2

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