I’ve mostly worked on iOS apps, and got used to signing our apps with our enterprise certificate, or with our clients’ distribution certificates. Hasn’t been too problematic. From what I see, notarizing is very similar to submitting to the App Store. Seems reasonable to me.
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Submitting to the app store isn't reasonable...
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Correct - it is a _personal_ computer, and the user should have the choice to, say, trust Steam as a store if they want to. On Apple, you literally cannot. You can _only_ choose to trust Apple, and never anyone else, which is the opposite of a "personal computer".
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Replying to @cmuratori @ToseNikolov and
If Apple let other people ship trusted storefronts, then there might be an argument here, but they don't, so it is not a "keeping the user safe" issue. It is an "Apple gets to control your decisions" issue, which is not remotely the same.
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Replying to @cmuratori @ToseNikolov and
And all of this goes for iOS as well. Android allows third parties to ship app stores (Amazon ships one, for example). Apple does not. This is a real, serious problem for user rights, and in fact, Apple is currently in a class action lawsuit over it.
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Replying to @cmuratori @ToseNikolov and
(See https://www.scotusblog.com/case-files/cases/apple-v-pepper/ … for details on the case, which I am very much hoping Apple loses, and loses huge)
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Certainly, there should be some mechanism to authorize a third-party “root of trust” aka app store. But that is a separate issue from allowing random potentially malicious software downloaded from the internet to run on my grandma’s computer.
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But that is not the issue. If Apple actually allowed third party credentialing, this would not really be an issue. But they don't. They _only_ allow Apple credentialing. That is simply not a sound policy model for computing, especially not personal computing.
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Replying to @cmuratori @srgpqt and
Put alternately, would you accept this argument for anything else? Grandma isn't allowed to read books, she must ask Apple if the book has been approved for her to read? Grandma isn't allowed to use cash, she must ask Apple if something she will buy is approved for her purchase?
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Replying to @cmuratori @srgpqt and
Apple has this issue a lot. It's become a weird platform these days. My favourite weird feature is going to the display options and pressing alt. And the discover screens button appears in blank space as if it's some sort of advanced option which must never be touched
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Eventually you will not be able to actually _use_ a Mac. You will merely watch the screen as an employee from Apple uses it for you via remote desktop. Only then can we be sure that the user is doing it right!
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