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    1. Casey Muratori‏ @cmuratori 13 Feb 2020

      Other than just wanting to be able to copy other people's work as they often do all the time anyway, I'm not sure I understand major tech giants' argument as to why APIs would not be copyrightable. They are, if anything, much harder to make well than their implementations.

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    2. Casey Muratori‏ @cmuratori 13 Feb 2020

      Suggesting that somehow figuring out the correct way to design something is less important than having filled in the functions with their (usually obvious) implementation is frankly rather absurd. If you want to argue _none_ of it is copyrightable, go ahead...

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    3. Casey Muratori‏ @cmuratori 13 Feb 2020

      But arguing that somehow APIs are less important or less worth IP protection than other types of code dramatically undervalues how important systems design is relative to implementation. If forced to pick, I'd actually claim the opposite (APIs copyrighted, implementations not).

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    4. Casey Muratori‏ @cmuratori 13 Feb 2020

      This is because in my experience, the vast majority of my time as a programmer on a novel problem is spent figuring out how it should be broken down. Once I know that, the implementation is usually relatively simple.

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    5. Klil H. Neori‏ @khneori 13 Feb 2020
      Replying to @cmuratori

      Not a lawyer, but I think you're confusing at least two different types of protectable intellectual property; what you're describing as "API" is more akin to algorithms, which may at most be patentable, not copyrightable.

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    6. Asaf Gartner‏ @AsafGartner 13 Feb 2020
      Replying to @khneori @cmuratori

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_v._Oracle_America … "Oracle initiated the suit claiming that the APIs were copyrightable"

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    7. Klil H. Neori‏ @khneori 13 Feb 2020
      Replying to @AsafGartner @cmuratori

      Yeah, so APIs per se being copyrightable (in the US) seems to be something that gone back and forth and will be ruled on by the current Supreme Court, so that'll be fun, but how to break down a problem, etc, sounds more like algorithm to me.

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    8. Casey Muratori‏ @cmuratori 13 Feb 2020
      Replying to @khneori @AsafGartner

      An API by definition is a deconstruction of a problem into the steps that are exposed to a user of something that solves that problem. You could argue for patents on it, sure, but I think that's a bad tradeoff because patents are much more restrictive than copyrights.

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    9. Casey Muratori‏ @cmuratori 13 Feb 2020
      Replying to @cmuratori @khneori @AsafGartner

      To be specific, a copyright violation only occurs if it can be argued that the work in general was copied. It is not a violation to merely do something similar (eg., it's not a copyright violation to write a book about a boy wizard, etc.)

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      Casey Muratori‏ @cmuratori 13 Feb 2020
      Replying to @cmuratori @khneori @AsafGartner

      So copyright seems very clearly (at least to me) to be the preferable way to protect software from copying, both the API and the implementation, so that similar systems can coexist without the specter of patent infringement, which is far more stringent.

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        1. Casey Muratori‏ @cmuratori 13 Feb 2020
          Replying to @cmuratori @khneori @AsafGartner

          That said, I also think copyrights should be back at their original terms of ~20 or so years, but, that's a different story :)

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