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    Casey Muratori‏ @cmuratori 13 Feb 2020

    Other than just wanting to be able to copy other people's work as they often do all the time anyway, I'm not sure I understand major tech giants' argument as to why APIs would not be copyrightable. They are, if anything, much harder to make well than their implementations.

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      2. Casey Muratori‏ @cmuratori 13 Feb 2020

        Suggesting that somehow figuring out the correct way to design something is less important than having filled in the functions with their (usually obvious) implementation is frankly rather absurd. If you want to argue _none_ of it is copyrightable, go ahead...

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      3. Casey Muratori‏ @cmuratori 13 Feb 2020

        But arguing that somehow APIs are less important or less worth IP protection than other types of code dramatically undervalues how important systems design is relative to implementation. If forced to pick, I'd actually claim the opposite (APIs copyrighted, implementations not).

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      4. Casey Muratori‏ @cmuratori 13 Feb 2020

        This is because in my experience, the vast majority of my time as a programmer on a novel problem is spent figuring out how it should be broken down. Once I know that, the implementation is usually relatively simple.

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      2. nicebyte‏ @nice_byte 13 Feb 2020
        Replying to @cmuratori

        what's an "api" anyway? should one be able to copyright a hash table? it certainly has an _interface_ that applications can _program_ against, making it an Application Programming Interface. should that be copyrightable?

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      3. nicebyte‏ @nice_byte 13 Feb 2020
        Replying to @nice_byte @cmuratori

        lest you think i'm trolling or something - matters much more trivial than this have been given a serious consideration in court, i.e. see oracle v. google range check

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      2. Maxim Zaks‏ @iceX33 13 Feb 2020
        Replying to @cmuratori

        Think patent trolls. How hard would it be to generate and patent APIs, without implementation?

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      3. Casey Muratori‏ @cmuratori 13 Feb 2020
        Replying to @iceX33

        _Patenting_ APIs would be terrible. But being able to copyright a complete piece of software, rather than only being able to copyright that piece of software _minus_ the API, doesn't make much sense to me at all.

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      2. Dale Weiler‏ @actualGraphite 13 Feb 2020
        Replying to @cmuratori

        How do you draw the line? Is something like a language's standard library interfaces copyrightable? If so, it makes it really hard to have independent implementations, which means it's not really a standard is it (at least not an open one.) Maybe the line is in "private" APIs?

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      3. Dale Weiler‏ @actualGraphite 13 Feb 2020
        Replying to @actualGraphite @cmuratori

        Most of the concern around patenting of APIs is specifically in response to the Oracle v Google situation w.r.t Java. Supposedly these interfaces are public and open. So people ask, if that is copyrightable, does it mean one cannot write a strlen, memset or memcpy for C?

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      2. tbodt‏ @tblodt 13 Feb 2020
        Replying to @cmuratori

        my opinion is that APIs shouldn't be copyrightable so that things like wine can be freely made

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      3. James Payne‏ @jamoflaw 14 Feb 2020
        Replying to @tblodt @cmuratori

        This. Imagine people starting to copyright web apis... /v1 No that one is taken, ah crap

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