I guess I'm wary of gate keeping on this stuff where big successful things are looked down upon. Anyone really going to say that Steven Spielberg or AJ Abrams don't fucking love the art of movie making?
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Replying to @syranide @cmuratori and
Yeah, I mean that seems trivially true. What I'm saying is that I think e.g. AJ Abrams is clearly an artist, but a lot of people seem to think that just because Star Wars is a big successful franchise that means it's not art and he's not an artist.
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That, to me, seems a bit elitist and pretentious. Like somehow things have to be indie and "non-commercial" for it to be art (meanwhile some of the greatest works of art in history have been anything but).
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Replying to @syranide @cmuratori and
Well he clearly cares a lot about the art and craft of movie making, and using them to tell stories and evoke emotion. He also cares about appealing to the masses and big set piece/spectacles. Same is true for e.g. Russo brothers (Marvel) IMO.
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Yes there's a commercial aspect. They would not be allowed to work with the Star Wars or Marvel franchises if there wasn't (and Michelangelo would not be allowed to work in the Sistine Chapel if he didn't follow the Church's wishes), but that doesn't negate the art IMO.
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By my count we've heard four slightly different definitions of what is and isn't art by four different people in this thread. So it doesn't appear that I'm the only one that's confused on this.
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And, btw, in End Game they killed off the two main characters (one literally, one retired). They felt the story needed real stakes/sacrifice/closure. How is that not art over commercial interest? I think it's unfair to dismiss these movies as merely trying to maximize profit.
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They killed off the one with (_by far_) the worst contract for Disney, and the one who retired was the actor specifically wanted to stop being in the films. You are counting these as artistic decisions? Why do I bother reading arguments on twitter? That is the real question :(
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Replying to @Jonathan_Blow @ssylvan and
I gotta start putting "reply with TC Tuggers" on a hotkey.
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