Because of the second tweet in this chain where you seem to indicate that if the intent is commercial (as opposed to a side effect?) it's different? The Sistine Chapel is basically a Batman game where he was a hired gun making what the church wanted with high craftsmanship.
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Replying to @ssylvan @Jonathan_Blow
Maybe the Sistine chapel wasn't the best example of what you meant? I get that Braid is different from Call of Duty, but I don't get how Marvel is different from most of the renaissance era work.
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So art is about quality then? Bad art isn't art?
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It could be about what your goal is. The point of a Marvel movie is just to make as much money as possible. Nobody is making decisions that would result in less money but progress toward some other goal. AFAIK, Michaelangelo was just trying to paint as baller as possible.
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Replying to @cmuratori @ssylvan and
I don't know that much of this discussion is really how I think about things anyways, but I do think you could make an argument that work is art when you are searching or striving for something that isn't strictly material goods in exchange for delivery of the work?
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And in that sense, it may well be that _somebody_ on the set of a Marvel movie is an artist, right. Not sure who that would be exactly but there may be somebody doing art there, even if 99% of the people definitely aren't.
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I think e.g. the directors of most marvel movies cared about making the most baller movie they could within the parameters they had (like Michelangelo.. he wasn't going to put Thor up there, or do anything that alienated the public).
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Replying to @ssylvan @cmuratori and
And even by that criteria it doesn't explain why a sculpture of some random Caesar is called art when it's basically just a profile pic of the time. We appreciate the excellent execution, regardless of monetary or other motives.
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I guess I'm wary of gate keeping on this stuff where big successful things are looked down upon. Anyone really going to say that Steven Spielberg or AJ Abrams don't fucking love the art of movie making?
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Generally speaking as soon as the term "gate keeping" is used I am out :)
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Sorry for gate keeping you out of this thread
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