Of course it is tiring and an uphill battle. (As you know, I've fought the DOD over OOP fight for ~15 years.) That's why I implored *everyone* who dislikes the "modern C++" trend to actively speak out against. Together we are stronger.
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Replying to @ChristerEricson @aras_p and
Gut says: lost cause. Using a collective voice to push hard for features which allow readable / effective code is worthwhile. Instead of saying, "this sucks", there's more traction saying, "this would helps us" and go use that "C+" subset. I'd actively put energy into the latter.
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Replying to @bdiamand
I don't think you said anything different from what I said. :)
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Replying to @ChristerEricson
I guess I was railing slightly against a "speak out against" theme & suggest redirecting to a more "speak out for" theme. We won't win much of the former, but with persistence I've confidence we can win much of the latter. Many of us actually can influence the Standards groups.
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Replying to @bdiamand @ChristerEricson
I think there's something subtle missing here. "Speaking For" without "Speaking Against" is partly what got C++ in the mess it is now: diametrically opposite needs often addressed as non conflicting parallels eventually leading to mushy semantics and expert-only code
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I feel that the DOD counter current is doing A LOT to present alternatives and not being negative. I don't see the "modern" crew streaming live coding hundreds of hours a year, but since
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I would recommend checking out how many hours of exposition and live programming have been offered by
@zeuxcg@Jonathan_Blow@cmuratori@nothings@pervognsen etc. I bet you they vastly exceed the minutes of slide-ware that come up justifying some std::silly item or other0 replies 1 retweet 2 likes -
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F' do I know anyway, I used to work on silly animated movies :) There are good people in SG14 though https://github.com/WG21-SG14/SG14 And low-latency/high frequency, which is "adult stuff" has a lot of overlap with games in both SG-14 and hiring/market, giving the group added credibility
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The name "A library for Study Group 14 of Working Group 21" suggests that there are A) At least 14 study groups, and B) at least 21 working groups. That does not bode well.
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