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    1. Sebastian Sylvan‏ @ssylvan 24 Jul 2018
      Replying to @cmuratori @Jonathan_Blow and

      No, the implication is that he's making a deliberately misleading argument, not that he actually believes that "***BILLIONS***" LOC across all projects is a meaningful measure w.r.t. software complexity (which would indeed require an implausibly poor understanding of software).

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    2. Sebastian Sylvan‏ @ssylvan 24 Jul 2018
      Replying to @ssylvan @cmuratori and

      If you dump all your games in one repo, they don't magically get more complex. He obviously understands that, and yet that's basically the argument he's making here, which is at the very least disingenuous.

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    3. Casey Muratori‏ @cmuratori 24 Jul 2018
      Replying to @ssylvan @Jonathan_Blow and

      What are you talking about? He didn't even STATE an argument! YOU made an argument for him, and then said it was disingenuous. You could have instead assumed he was smart and took the plausible argument of "an organization with a billion plus lines of code is in trouble".

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    4. Sebastian Sylvan‏ @ssylvan 24 Jul 2018
      Replying to @cmuratori @Jonathan_Blow and

      He was referencing your argument about complex software stacks, and saying it was even worse than 30M lines because there's billions of lines across all software at google.

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    5. Casey Muratori‏ @cmuratori 24 Jul 2018
      Replying to @ssylvan @Jonathan_Blow and

      IT'S THE SAME ARGUMENT. Do you think all 13 million lines of code in the Linux kernel is compiled into every Linux kernel? What are you even talking about?

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    6. Sebastian Sylvan‏ @ssylvan 24 Jul 2018
      Replying to @cmuratori @Jonathan_Blow and

      It's not the same argument. If you add a million lines to windows, it doesn't make android more complex. Even if you were to copy both source trees into the same folder. That's the point.

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    7. Casey Muratori‏ @cmuratori 24 Jul 2018
      Replying to @ssylvan @Jonathan_Blow and

      Anything that is code that is maintained by Google is a cost to Google. It's engineering that is not going into something else. The measure of the complexity of an organizations total codebase _is very similar to_ the complexity of a product codebase with multiple organizations.

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    8. Casey Muratori‏ @cmuratori 24 Jul 2018
      Replying to @cmuratori @ssylvan and

      So to say that somehow the LOC count on Linux (one project, many organizations) and the LOC count at Google (many projects, one organization) are woefully different, couldn't possibly be related, even in a snarky simple tweet, is just nuts man.

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    9. Sebastian Sylvan‏ @ssylvan 24 Jul 2018
      Replying to @cmuratori @Jonathan_Blow and

      It really isn't, though. Android's code base might as well be written by a different company from e.g. gmail on iOS, or window chrome. The fact that they're in the same tree and written by different departments in one big company doesn't increase the complexity.

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    10. Casey Muratori‏ @cmuratori 24 Jul 2018
      Replying to @ssylvan @Jonathan_Blow and

      I just don't even. GMail on Android depends on GMail architectural decisions AND Android architectural decisions, right? A bug in either will make a bug in it. A bug in Chrome makes a bug in GMail client. A bug in search makes a bug in Assistant.

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      Casey Muratori‏ @cmuratori 24 Jul 2018
      Replying to @cmuratori @ssylvan and

      But more importantly, an engineer working on Assistant is not working on GMail. One working on Android isn't working on DeepMind. IT MATTERS HOW MUCH WORK THERE IS TO. Programming is a finite resource. The more LOC you have, the less expertise you have across it.

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        2. Casey Muratori‏ @cmuratori 24 Jul 2018
          Replying to @Jonathan_Blow @ssylvan and

          Twitter needs to make post-only accounts a thing, where you can just permanently prohibit any tweet with your at-name or hash-name in it.

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        2. Riley Labrecque‏ @RileyLabrecque 24 Jul 2018
          Replying to @cmuratori @ssylvan and

          This makes things a lot clearer to me. Napkin math shows on the order of 85k LOC per engineer there. I assume a lot of it is generated, a lot of it is old dead projects. But is there a rough code:engineer ratio you guys have in mind?

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        3. Sebastian Sylvan‏ @ssylvan 24 Jul 2018
          Replying to @RileyLabrecque @cmuratori and

          There's a *ton* of third party code that's in the repository too, so the real ratio is most likely waaaay lower than that.

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