You said "if they contribute to the compiled binary", and the whole point @nicebyte was making is that they don't.
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Replying to @ssylvan @Jonathan_Blow and
I love the implication that Jon doesn't know that all billion lines of code don't compile to a single executable. What is wrong with everyone? What linker do you think Jon believes they are using?? They'd launch LLD and six years later they'd have their binary.
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Replying to @cmuratori @Jonathan_Blow and
No, the implication is that he's making a deliberately misleading argument, not that he actually believes that "***BILLIONS***" LOC across all projects is a meaningful measure w.r.t. software complexity (which would indeed require an implausibly poor understanding of software).
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Replying to @ssylvan @cmuratori and
If you dump all your games in one repo, they don't magically get more complex. He obviously understands that, and yet that's basically the argument he's making here, which is at the very least disingenuous.
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Replying to @ssylvan @Jonathan_Blow and
What are you talking about? He didn't even STATE an argument! YOU made an argument for him, and then said it was disingenuous. You could have instead assumed he was smart and took the plausible argument of "an organization with a billion plus lines of code is in trouble".
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Replying to @cmuratori @Jonathan_Blow and
He was referencing your argument about complex software stacks, and saying it was even worse than 30M lines because there's billions of lines across all software at google.
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Replying to @ssylvan @Jonathan_Blow and
IT'S THE SAME ARGUMENT. Do you think all 13 million lines of code in the Linux kernel is compiled into every Linux kernel? What are you even talking about?
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Replying to @cmuratori @ssylvan and
No, but they belong in the same product and are somewhat related. 13 million related lines in one complex project is not the same as the same amount scattered across things that don't have anything to do with each other whatsoever.
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Replying to @nice_byte @ssylvan and
THEY DO HAVE SOMETHING TO DO WITH EACH OTHER. They are a measure of how much code it takes to do SOMETHING. In Google's case, it's the products from Google. In Linux's case, it's Linux. What is so hard to understand about this???
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You guys seem to think that the LOC interdependency metric is what I was complaining about in my lecture. It wasn't. It was JUST THE NUMBER. It's too much for what it does. The same is almost certainly true of Google. There's no way it takes a billion lines to do what they do.
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Replying to @cmuratori @nice_byte and
But I'm glad to know that two people, neither of whom are me or Jon, know more about what me and Jon meant than me and Jon do! What a wonderful world we live in now!
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Replying to @cmuratori @nice_byte and
If your argument really is that simplistic, then I guess I initially misunderstood you to be saying something that made more sense (because I was agreeing with you).
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