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Jason Antic
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Jason Antic

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Obsessively pursuing the perfection of image and video colorization/restoration using deep learning. Creator of DeOldify.

Ocean Beach, San Diego
deoldify.ai
Joined January 2010

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    1. Jason Antic‏ @citnaj Sep 20
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      Replying to @borisdayma @GivingTools @pbaylies

      I haven't attempted a color space outside of RGB yet but I could imagine that would have a significant impact. To be fair, it might be preferable to default to grayish of all things. I hadn't thought about that possibility honestly... Thanks!

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    2. Boris Dayma‏ @borisdayma Sep 20
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      Replying to @citnaj @GivingTools @pbaylies

      Look into CieLAB or similar. Things like YCrCb or YUV don't reflect as well human perceptions. For info, as a challenge based on your feedback I tried to do the opposite: full GAN colorizer (no pretraining). No success though but I won't give up 😂

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    3. Jason Antic‏ @citnaj Sep 20
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      Replying to @borisdayma @GivingTools @pbaylies

      Interesting challenge there! Were you thinking there would be some sort advantage to doing that potentially?

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    4. Boris Dayma‏ @borisdayma Sep 20
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      Yes, I cannot make it work but I feel like in theory it could converge towards an optimal solution. When there is 50/50 chance of blue or yellow, a model with traditional losses will output the average green while you would have wanted either blue or yellow.

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    5. Boris Dayma‏ @borisdayma Sep 20
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      You can try to avoid that by projecting the loss in another space or even using different layers like intermediate activation maps, but you still would have an interpolation problem.

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    6. Boris Dayma‏ @borisdayma Sep 20
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      When using GAN + other losses, you just work with compromises, even using weight decay is a compromise for stability. With the "unlimited" quantity of data we can have for this problem, a GAN would be a solution with no compromise at all, where you just want a realistic solution

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    7. Boris Dayma‏ @borisdayma Sep 20
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      I've not been able to keep the training stable though...

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    8. Boris Dayma‏ @borisdayma Sep 20
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      Replying to @borisdayma @citnaj and

      I must say though I think you have an amazing hand crafted solution where you probably experimented with lots of layers and ratios leading to these amazing results. It probably required a very tedious and meticulous process!

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    9. Jason Antic‏ @citnaj Sep 20
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      I don't want to say too much but I will say this: GANs in the way you describe it would be much closer to the ideal solution than what I've dealt with so far :) Very much in agreement. Just that dang stability issue...

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    10. aradhya n mathur‏ @aradhyanmathur Sep 21
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      Replying to @citnaj @borisdayma and

      Perhaps looking into wassertein GANs with GP would be something interesting as well, I from personal experiments have found it to perform well without mode collapse

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      Jason Antic‏ @citnaj Sep 21
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      Replying to @aradhyanmathur @borisdayma and

      I've already been down that path actually :) It was the one of the first things I tried with DeOldify back in September 2018 before I got it to work with a SAGAN based GAN.

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