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Jason Antic
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Obsessively pursuing the perfection of image and video colorization/restoration using deep learning. Creator of DeOldify.

Ocean Beach, San Diego
deoldify.ai
Joined January 2010

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    1. Jason Antic‏ @citnaj Sep 20
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      Here's a shocker: Yes, I'm aware of the excessive purple and other misplaced colors in DeOldify. There's no shortage of people who can't wait to inform me about this. Either make a better model. Or just carry on and trust me that I've thought plenty about it over two years..

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    2. Peter Baylies‏ @pbaylies Sep 20
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      The consistency of it is useful, and sometimes striking; so I'm a fan. Outside of time travel, there's nothing you can do to determine what the 'real' colors were, anyhow.

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    3. Jason Antic‏ @citnaj Sep 20
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      Tell that to the "ideas people" lol

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    4. 𝙳𝚊𝚟𝚒𝚍 𝚁𝚎𝚒𝚗𝚜𝚝𝚎𝚒𝚗‏ @GivingTools Sep 20
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      I'm sure you have thought about it. But I am curious: why can't you simply tell it "reduce the amount of purple across the board"? What am I misunderstanding?

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    5. Jason Antic‏ @citnaj Sep 20
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      1/ So a way to translate what you're saying there into an implementation would be to add a "cost" to adding "too much purple" as a numerical penalty. But the big problem with this is that penalizing with this magic number will inevitably have bad "side effects" because there's

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    6. Jason Antic‏ @citnaj Sep 20
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      2/ no way to accurately weigh this with a "one size fits all" approach. You want the machine to learn how much is too much purple instead, according to nuanced contextual information. This is what I view as the chief advantage of GANs (which I don't use currently).

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    7. Jason Antic‏ @citnaj Sep 20
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      3/ To elaborate on what those bad side effects would be: The model would just pick another default color. Much like a game of whack-a-mole!

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    8. Boris Dayma‏ @borisdayma Sep 20
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      I'm not sure what color space you use but if you go to something like CieLAB, does the default color become more grayish?

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    9. Jason Antic‏ @citnaj Sep 20
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      I haven't attempted a color space outside of RGB yet but I could imagine that would have a significant impact. To be fair, it might be preferable to default to grayish of all things. I hadn't thought about that possibility honestly... Thanks!

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    10. Boris Dayma‏ @borisdayma Sep 20
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      Look into CieLAB or similar. Things like YCrCb or YUV don't reflect as well human perceptions. For info, as a challenge based on your feedback I tried to do the opposite: full GAN colorizer (no pretraining). No success though but I won't give up 😂

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      Jason Antic‏ @citnaj Sep 20
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      Interesting challenge there! Were you thinking there would be some sort advantage to doing that potentially?

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        2. Boris Dayma‏ @borisdayma Sep 20
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          Yes, I cannot make it work but I feel like in theory it could converge towards an optimal solution. When there is 50/50 chance of blue or yellow, a model with traditional losses will output the average green while you would have wanted either blue or yellow.

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        3. Boris Dayma‏ @borisdayma Sep 20
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          You can try to avoid that by projecting the loss in another space or even using different layers like intermediate activation maps, but you still would have an interpolation problem.

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