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Jason Antic
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Jason Antic

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Obsessively pursuing the perfection of image and video colorization/restoration using deep learning. Creator of DeOldify.

Ocean Beach, San Diego
deoldify.ai
Joined January 2010

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    1. Jason Antic‏ @citnaj Jun 19
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      Replying to @theshawwn @quasimondo @ChombaBupe

      So there's a larger context here, and I gotta say, it's really silly to project everything through such a narrow lens. It's more complicated than that.

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    2. Shawn Presser‏ @theshawwn Jun 19
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      If what I'm saying is incorrect, why does it seem to upset you? Just shrug it off and move on. It's not like my opinion matters. I think you're upset because you know the lens isn't so narrow, and that it's easier to believe the lens is narrow.

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    3. Shawn Presser‏ @theshawwn Jun 19
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      There are endless justifications for not releasing one's own work: Someone might take it. Some other business won't tolerate it. I'm trying to be smart about it. I will release it, just not yet. It's almost always evasion. And it's easier to believe that than to just do it.

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    4. Jason Antic‏ @citnaj Jun 19
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      I mean....that's what you're hearing lol

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    5. Shawn Presser‏ @theshawwn Jun 19
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      Not merely hearing; I've used those justifications myself before. And I was mistaken. All that work is gone now, and never amounted to anything. With open source, at least some of it has mattered (at least in a small way).

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    6. Shawn Presser‏ @theshawwn Jun 19
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      The crux of the issue here seems like you're dead set on believing that giving away the code = giving away the money. It's just not true.

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    7. Jason Antic‏ @citnaj Jun 19
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      It means having to find a round about way of making money on what took all of the work, and placing our bets on something else that we really doubt we can compete on (design, scalability, etc). We can't afford that right now as a two person team. We sell reearch.

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    8. Shawn Presser‏ @theshawwn Jun 19
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      Why do you believe showing the code will remove your ability to make money with it? Do you think MyHeritage wouldn't have contacted you if the code was available? There's a cognitive dissonance here: your code *was* open source and yet you still made money.

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    9. Jason Antic‏ @citnaj Jun 19
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      Yeah that's exactly how it would have gone. They were quietly using my open source until they found out about the code that I didn't give a way yet that looked much better. If it were free and there was no alternative, why would they contact me?

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    10. Shawn Presser‏ @theshawwn Jun 19
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      Your code would be released under a restrictive license. Are you saying that they'd blatantly rip off the code? They'd contact you for the usual reasons: They want to make money with your code, and your code prohibits anyone from making money with it except you.

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      Jason Antic‏ @citnaj Jun 19
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      Here comes the army of lawyers I don't have.

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        2. Shawn Presser‏ @theshawwn Jun 19
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          You keep saying that lawyers are necessary. Your position on this is "Companies will break the law unless I have lawyers to stop them." It's ironic that you're so idealistic with politics but so jaded with business. :)

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        3. Mario Klingemann‏Verified account @quasimondo Jun 19
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          So how do you imagine this would work? You see someone starting a photo colorization service and suspect they are using your code without a license. You give them a friendly call and ask if you can see their source code?

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