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Jason Antic
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Obsessively pursuing the perfection of image and video colorization/restoration using deep learning. Creator of DeOldify.

Ocean Beach, San Diego
deoldify.ai
Joined January 2010

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    Jason Antic‏ @citnaj Jun 18
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    Jason Antic Retweeted François Chollet

    This might be the first time I disagree with him. But as someone who did automated testing for years- this I can't get behind. Tests are code and thoughtlessly accumulating tests can create huge burdens. Which ironically usually leads to people ignoring tests.https://twitter.com/fchollet/status/1273714126645161985 …

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    François CholletVerified account @fchollet
    There is no such thing as a superfluous test. You are testing against unknown unknowns. Against the far future. Against other people. Etc. You should never make any assumptions about what needs testing and what doesn't.
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    • Giulio Ar7 CΛSTLΞ TECHNICAL DEVELOPMENT Thomas Kober Matthew Segal Sam, a New Empath (12/30 Do Stuff November) Rafael Barbolo Codex Malcolm Murdock
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      2. a lex is!‏ @alexisgallagher Jun 18
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        Replying to @citnaj

        Yeah, seem he’s offering advice relevant for a very particular context: hundreds of developers, over many years, and (I’d guess) a dynamic language. Many valuable projects are not developed under those conditions, don’t need 100% coverage, can’t afford it, shouldn’t glorify it.

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      3. Jason Antic‏ @citnaj Jun 18
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        Replying to @alexisgallagher

        Oh yeah the dynamic language thing.... I think I'm in the minority and sound grumpy but I don't think a great selling point for the productivity of dynamic languages is that you can write code super fast....as long as you use a whole bunch of tests as a crutch for the language!

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      2. Jeremy Howard‏ @jeremyphoward Jun 18
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        You have to be careful to test the underlying behavior that you really care about, not just some detail about how it's implemented now. Otherwise it'll be harder to refactor later because you'll break tests without breaking functionality

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      3. Jason Antic‏ @citnaj Jun 18
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        Replying to @jeremyphoward

        That's exactly it!

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      1. Tal‏ @eiopa Jun 19
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        Tal Retweeted Sebastian Aaltonen

        Totally agreed. Reminds me of this (excellent!) thread that matched my experience as wellhttps://twitter.com/sebaaltonen/status/1080073388570411009 …

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        Sebastian Aaltonen @SebAaltonen
        Each unit test is an additional dependency. Another call site that uses your function/class/data. Adding a dependency to code/data that has zero dependencies is not free. It adds inertia. Further changes of that code slow down and some refactorings/optimizations become infeasible
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