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Jason Antic
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Obsessively pursuing the perfection of image and video colorization/restoration using deep learning. Creator of DeOldify.

Ocean Beach, San Diego
deoldify.ai
Joined January 2010

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    Jason Antic‏ @citnaj Feb 23
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    Jason Antic Retweeted Shawn Presser

    Retweeting because I'm curious as to others' thoughts on this. I can change my mind but I'm just not convinced. I reiterate my position in comment (it's too risky for a bootstrapped startup to try, basically).https://twitter.com/theshawwn/status/1231561284035833856 …

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    Shawn Presser @theshawwn
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    You can say that about any example I'd give though. "Their business model wasn't based on selling an AI model." Because that business model hasn't existed until now. Open sourcing your current model is as simple as putting a non-commercial use clause on it.
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      2. Jeremy Howard‏ @jeremyphoward Feb 23
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        For deoldify, I think to a large extent, the research is the product. I don't see another competitive moat there, at least yet. So giving away the research seems like a dangerous step.

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      3. Jason Antic‏ @citnaj Feb 23
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        Yes, this is exactly how I see it. Don't get me wrong....I'd like to show everyone what was done and in fact I've had a lot of back and forth with @danasday on this. It wasn't a decision taken lightly.

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      1. Maxime Lenormand‏ @MaxLenormand Feb 23
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        Naively I'd also guess it's either that or ads, as mentioned in your discussions? Those have their share of problem IMHO

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      2. Noah Rosenberg‏ @nrose Feb 23
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        This isn’t a tweet-sized problem but I’ll give it a bit of a shot: Because of the versatility of NNs, we’re seeing new possible applications every day. Because of arxiv and the availability of publishing there’s a crazy incentive for people to push existing methods forward

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      3. Noah Rosenberg‏ @nrose Feb 23
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        As a business, most software involves creating some difficult-to-reproduce IP. In the world of 2020, it’s possible to launch a new software company but only by leveraging massive investments by massive companies in the overall ecosystem

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      1. Hart Woolery‏ @2020cv_inc Feb 23
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        I am in a similar position—not bootstrapped, but small amount of funding. I think your stance is justified. There’s no need to give your work away to potential competitors. If somebody really needs it, they can put in the effort to build it.

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      2. Paul Rice‏ @PaulRiceBelfast Feb 23
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        I love the tech. Have you considered a free version that adds a watermark? With an option to pay to have the watermark removed if people like the colorized image generated.

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      3. Jason Antic‏ @citnaj Feb 23
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        We were indeed considering that with our own app (if that happens). We're still not certain if it's a great idea though. Running these servers costs a lot of money. Encouraging lots free users to run up costs? We've seen that go bad elsewhere with DeOldify based apps.

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      2. 1991_VG‏ @6963616e74646f7 Feb 23
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        Have u considered the ramifications of selling a service "colorize your old photos" as opposed to a technology? Service can offer lots of handy features that aren't novel tech. Free tier = watermarks, limited numbers. The raw tech can still be offered separately as non-commercial

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      3. Jason Antic‏ @citnaj Feb 23
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        Sure. Simple answer is that the two of us can't compete on that in terms of design/features/marketing and actually protect our IP in court effectively when the inevitable abuses start happening. And to be clear- we have absolutely no intention of growing beyond the two of us.

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