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Jason Antic‏ @citnaj Feb 22

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Can you expand upon that? I'm not sure which examples you're thinking of that would be applicable. Honest question.

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Shawn Presser‏ @theshawwn Feb 22

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Reddit was open source for a long time. It didn't matter. Large parts of Facebook are open source. It strengthened their position. StyleGAN is open source. You could say that nVidia can subsidize the cost since they're a big company, but it would have been an advantage.

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Shawn Presser‏ @theshawwn Feb 22

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Most of id software's engines are open source now. Unreal engine is fully open source. PhysX is open source. None of these seem to have caused problems. And I'm skeptical it would have caused any problems if they were open source from the beginning.

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Shawn Presser‏ @theshawwn Feb 22

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I think the missing piece here is that it's relatively uncommon in the AI world to release code and say "You can't use this for commercial purposes." But... it's actually not *that* uncommon. StyleGAN does it.

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Shawn Presser‏ @theshawwn Feb 22

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Still, no one will blame you for taking the safe option. I'm only saying anything because it seems like it might work against your interests long-term to keep it closed. A healthy "modding community" around DeOldify seems like it would only help you. (Ditto for AI dungeon.)

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Shawn Presser‏ @theshawwn Feb 22

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Another way to look at it: Are you sure you'd be as well-known as you are now if you hadn't made the original DeOldify model open source? How many other closed-source models have brought fame and fortune to their creators? (I'm genuinely interested in answers to this.)

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Jason Antic‏ @citnaj Feb 23

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So yeah don't get me wrong- I went into open sourcing both v1 and v2 (image and video), knowing that it's great for business to build a reputation like that. That was deliberate. But the examples you cited I think all had at least one thing in common: Big companies.

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Shawn Presser‏ @theshawwn Feb 23

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Reddit wasn't a big company. In fact I chose Reddit specifically because they were extremely small.

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Jason Antic‏ @citnaj Feb 23

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Oh you're talking like pre-Digg years? Ok yeah I'm wrong on that one then. It's still a business model that's based on advertising.

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Shawn Presser‏ @theshawwn Feb 23

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You can say that about any example I'd give though. "Their business model wasn't based on selling an AI model." Because that business model hasn't existed until now. Open sourcing your current model is as simple as putting a non-commercial use clause on it.

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Jason Antic‏ @citnaj Feb 23

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I really don't think it's that simple. Namely, it's a matter of enforcement. It's a pretty big risk to to take for a startup that is 100% bootstrapped based on savings. And again, we already gave away a whole bunch of novel tech for free....

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  In general, businesses release open source specifically because they don't think the software is a competitive advantage, and the developer goodwill is valuable. I'm excited to see you make money for your work and I'd love to see more small businesses succeed (exist!) in ML.
  
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