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Jason Antic
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Obsessively pursuing the perfection of image and video colorization/restoration using deep learning. Creator of DeOldify.

Ocean Beach, San Diego
deoldify.ai
Joined January 2010

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    1. Jason Antic‏ @citnaj Feb 22
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      1/ I think it's time to address a question/criticism I've been getting quite a bit which was fully expected when going into making DeOldify into a business: Why not be awesome and give out the latest and greatest DeOldify for free? For the greater good?

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    2. Shawn Presser‏ @theshawwn Feb 22
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      It seems like a false dichotomy to say that you won't be rewarded if you make your work available. Empirically, that doesn't seem true. There are many examples. And you'll always have the latest version to yourself, because no one else has the means to go faster.

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    3. Jason Antic‏ @citnaj Feb 22
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      Can you expand upon that? I'm not sure which examples you're thinking of that would be applicable. Honest question.

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    4. Shawn Presser‏ @theshawwn Feb 22
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      Reddit was open source for a long time. It didn't matter. Large parts of Facebook are open source. It strengthened their position. StyleGAN is open source. You could say that nVidia can subsidize the cost since they're a big company, but it would have been an advantage.

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    5. Shawn Presser‏ @theshawwn Feb 22
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      Most of id software's engines are open source now. Unreal engine is fully open source. PhysX is open source. None of these seem to have caused problems. And I'm skeptical it would have caused any problems if they were open source from the beginning.

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    6. Shawn Presser‏ @theshawwn Feb 22
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      I think the missing piece here is that it's relatively uncommon in the AI world to release code and say "You can't use this for commercial purposes." But... it's actually not *that* uncommon. StyleGAN does it.

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    7. Shawn Presser‏ @theshawwn Feb 22
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      Still, no one will blame you for taking the safe option. I'm only saying anything because it seems like it might work against your interests long-term to keep it closed. A healthy "modding community" around DeOldify seems like it would only help you. (Ditto for AI dungeon.)

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    8. Shawn Presser‏ @theshawwn Feb 22
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      Another way to look at it: Are you sure you'd be as well-known as you are now if you hadn't made the original DeOldify model open source? How many other closed-source models have brought fame and fortune to their creators? (I'm genuinely interested in answers to this.)

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      Jason Antic‏ @citnaj Feb 23
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      But really let's just be fair here: We did release a whole bunch of open source. That's really the point. It's just that we're not releasing the coolest of them all yet. Yet! So think of it as a time based release.

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        1. President-Elect jack Lord oatkon‏ @Bookhimdannom1 Feb 23
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          Good point!pic.twitter.com/5i4KlGqLbt

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        1. thehardme‏ @thehardmenpath Feb 23
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          It’s not that hard, folks: selling one version pays for future research.

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        2. Carlos E. Perez‏ @IntuitMachine Feb 23
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          It will all boil down to packaging to address the Job to be Done (JTBD). Open source relates to shared development costs. A lot of products use open source. But products are able to sell because they solve a specific use case with as little friction as possible.

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        3. Carlos E. Perez‏ @IntuitMachine Feb 23
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          There are many use cases for colorization. But, MyHeritage is a clear JTBD for people interested in their family history and have a lot of old bw pictures. This is the sensible route to market for specialized DL technology.

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        2. Gemelo Molinero‏ @GemeloMolinero Feb 23
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          Maybe I missed that part but the result differences myheritage<->open source are not just a matter of training? Just wondering if it is worth to juggle with the colab version, when the myheritage version spits out far better results.I´d rather give you the money directly though.

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        3. Jason Antic‏ @citnaj Feb 23
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          There's a lot of architectural differences, training differences etc. Almost everything changed.

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        1. Ryan Chesler‏ @ryan_chesler Feb 23
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          I think the way youve done it is completely reasonable. I think the art of it is figuring out how to share the technology while not sabotaging the product and I think you've hit the right balance

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