2/ The argument is he has a large audience and a bigger responsibility and I get that as somebody who now feels a bit of that pressure myself. But is this relatively mild criticism is worth a all this public shaming? Is it really worth our time tearing into great people like
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3/ François who is on the right side of most things and bravely stands for those things, over this? In the context of a world that is way messed up currently? I know a lot of people in this community don't like what's going on. I’d vote for less infighting, personally.
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I appreciate the spirit of you are saying, but that's not how social media work, and it has little to do with how ML is as a community. If you are willfully broadcasting your voice to 174k people, you should have a strategy in place for how to do so that effectively.
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If you don't, either you are very naive, or very arrogant. From his replies, it seems obvious it's the latter, and I personally have very little sympathy for that.
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1/ I think it’s somewhere in the middle. I think there’s a bit of an unreality to being thrust into the public spotlight when you were previously just an engineer. Like for myself I know a bunch of people know who I am now and hear what I say, but there’s little perceived actual
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2/ tangible experience of this online. It’s weird, and things wind up not feeling too different than they were previously. So it’s easy to feel like you have license to say what’s on your mind and not feel the full ramifications of it. He may very well be arrogant
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3/ but my guess is it’s the common smart engineering nerd variety and that’s pretty easy for me to forgive as I can definitely relate to that and am still working on undoing that after all these years. That gets tough when people keep telling you you’re great lol
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So your defense of him boils down to giving him a pass at being arrogant because probably he gets to hear too often how great an engineer he is. I respect that, but I really hope you can see how that won't resonate with most people.
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Really what I'm trying to say is that he's still human, and even more importantly, he's a champion of a lot of good causes and doesn't shrink from making a stink about them publicly. I'm willing to give him a pass on this because on the whole, he's awesome.
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I'm sorry but to me standing up for arrogant engineers and proudly saying so, instead of people who could use some support like the matplotlib devs, is part of why the world is so messed up. I really hope I won't ever get to a point in life where I'll agree with you.
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I don’t get paid a cent for my own work on DeOldify- I sympathize with the open source underdog. My concern is that when we do this circular firing squad on good leaders, however flawed they are, what you wind up with is clearing the way for really bad ones.
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So the good leaders are the ones that tweet like they were not in a position of leadership because they get to hear how great they are too often? We really are not doing really well in the ML community then.
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