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    1. Christo Grozev‏Verified account @christogrozev 8 Jun 2020

      Prosecution answers two truthist challenges. One is that only 300 out of 800 shrapnel fragments were recovered. This is logical given the omnidirectional dispersal of fragments. Second is the weight of fragments. Not all fragments retain their original shape, experiment showed

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    2. Christo Grozev‏Verified account @christogrozev 8 Jun 2020

      An additional 7 non-fragment and non-airplane segments were found at or near the crash site. These were investigated as either BUK 9M38/M1 missile fragments. They were found to be more similar to the newer, M1 model.pic.twitter.com/jXdU3E0Qzl

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    3. Christo Grozev‏Verified account @christogrozev 8 Jun 2020

      The electrical conductor section was different in the two models, and the one recovered was only similar to the reference *M1 missile. This together with the bow-tie shapes found, and the nose green color (standard for *M1, white for the older). Thus conclusion was: newer 9M38M1

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    4. Christo Grozev‏Verified account @christogrozev 8 Jun 2020

      The non-shrapnel (=missile) foreign segments were found either in victims' bodies or at various locations of the disaster area and were secured at different times.The consistency between the parts in victims bodies and the ones procured via witnesses validated the different parts

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    5. Christo Grozev‏Verified account @christogrozev 8 Jun 2020

      Now prosecution will describe how it defined the launch site. In the DSB (technical) investigation, with limited data available, the launch site was defined very broadly: 300 sq.m. But the arena test plus 3d scan of the 777 allowed for much more precise computation.

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    6. Christo Grozev‏Verified account @christogrozev 8 Jun 2020

      This resulted in a possible launch area of only 75 sq m, shown here.pic.twitter.com/Yqeq0x6xEh

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    7. Christo Grozev‏Verified account @christogrozev 8 Jun 2020

      Only a BUK fired from this shape could have caused the empirically seen damage on MH17, experts computed. However, Russia's Almaz Antey (BUK manufacturers) calculated a totally different area, much further to the south.

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    8. Christo Grozev‏Verified account @christogrozev 8 Jun 2020

      Using all "new data" provided by Almaz Antey, the Belgian Military Academy recomputed independently the launch site, which overlapped with the JIT's initial estimation, and was again near Snizhne, and not where Russia said it must have been.pic.twitter.com/4nX62gHV7T

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    9. Christo Grozev‏Verified account @christogrozev 8 Jun 2020

      Prosecutor now recaps the dozens of different approaches it took to validate and/or refute the various weapon and launch site theories, showing that JIT only took into account data that was consistent with one another and could be validated by several objective sources.pic.twitter.com/eTShrpw4nW

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    10. Christo Grozev‏Verified account @christogrozev 8 Jun 2020

      "We deem the forensic investigation to be complete and we are ready to answer any questions". The judge proposes a half-hour break before resuming with - the telephone intercepts. (The judge knows how to tease the next episode)

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      Christo Grozev‏Verified account @christogrozev 8 Jun 2020

      While we wait, here's a slow-motion video of the BUK blow-up & damage assessment experiment the JIT conducted in 2016pic.twitter.com/XOgAxAmNj1

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        2. Christo Grozev‏Verified account @christogrozev 8 Jun 2020

          Prosecution now explains why SBU were able to publish intercepts several hours after the shootdown. SBU had been tracking these phones for months already. After the incident SBU engaged its field offices to listen to recent calls to find relevant conversations.pic.twitter.com/zyX2Fk6fOe

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        3. Christo Grozev‏Verified account @christogrozev 8 Jun 2020

          These initial "hits" were only starting points, and not the final evidence. They provided leads to look for other calls, and to start interpreting topics and references. Data was aggregated from 3 different sources: intel, ongoing criminal investigations, and MH17 investigationspic.twitter.com/c8We0YAtnO

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        4. Christo Grozev‏Verified account @christogrozev 8 Jun 2020

          Depending on the source of telecoms data, different clearances were needed under Ukraine law - the most cumbersome and time-consuming was data that came from ongoing criminal investigations. There a court decision was needed to declassify the data.pic.twitter.com/zmvgBOiLxF

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        5. Christo Grozev‏Verified account @christogrozev 8 Jun 2020

          Initially, SBU searched for references to "BUK"s to find relevant convos. But soon it became clear Russia's FSB had provided special secure phones that couldn't be tappedpic.twitter.com/Ylgo5xcjdI

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        6. Christo Grozev‏Verified account @christogrozev 8 Jun 2020

          Some of the indicted suspects were given such phonespic.twitter.com/zd5khv8QJg

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        7. Christo Grozev‏Verified account @christogrozev 8 Jun 2020

          Here, Girkin doesn't know how to turn on the encryption...pic.twitter.com/PhL0qU40oc

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        8. Christo Grozev‏Verified account @christogrozev 8 Jun 2020

          In another call, with Vladimir Ivanovich (identified by us as FSB's Gen. Andrey Burlaka), it could be heard how encryption can be turned on and off during a call.pic.twitter.com/5fG8QrYyvs

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        9. Christo Grozev‏Verified account @christogrozev 8 Jun 2020

          JIT didn't just take SBU provided intercepts at public value. It applied a holistic validation method - comparing Ukraine data with international call metadata, confirming content with some participants, and finding open-source confirmation of certain calls having taken placepic.twitter.com/wXcru1bfeN

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        10. Christo Grozev‏Verified account @christogrozev 8 Jun 2020

          In addition Dutch IT forensic experts conducted on-the-ground network experiments in Ukraine and compared it to the metadata obtained from Ukrainian mobile operators.

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        11. Christo Grozev‏Verified account @christogrozev 8 Jun 2020

          Network measurement near the launch site and along thte suspected BUK route could only be made a year after the crash, due to hostilities and local militant restrictions. LNR for example didn't allow measurement (red segment).pic.twitter.com/ZVKNdyeqk5

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        12. Christo Grozev‏Verified account @christogrozev 8 Jun 2020

          Although incomplete and delayed by a year, the network measurement data provided valuable data to both validate telecom data and to identify the location of people speaking. Care was always taken not to jump to conclusions due to distance b/n cell tower and telephone, etc.

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        13. Christo Grozev‏Verified account @christogrozev 8 Jun 2020

          The network connection data was used as additional, and not as primary source of data, to validate other findings (such as discussion of a movement of a suspect, or a visual sighting).

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        14. Christo Grozev‏Verified account @christogrozev 8 Jun 2020

          Another validation route was by cross-referencing hardware signatures (IMEI) among different operators, and call duration and timing metadata (i.e. to ensure there was no overlaps or other inconsistencies)pic.twitter.com/8Q5NY3Dwju

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        15. Christo Grozev‏Verified account @christogrozev 8 Jun 2020

          Dutch telecoms experts with large forensic experience analyzed the comprehensive Ukraine-provided data and concluded that its integrity is the same as would be expected in any Dutch investigation.

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        16. Christo Grozev‏Verified account @christogrozev 8 Jun 2020

          Whenever any Ukrainian intercept included an international call, JIT retreived the corresponding call metadata (or audio) from the other (Polish, Spanish etc) mobile operator. All such cross-checked matched.

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        17. Christo Grozev‏Verified account @christogrozev 8 Jun 2020

          JIT also used admissions by call participants that they did indeed speak the words contained in the intercepts.pic.twitter.com/ZXemBfSJIp

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        18. Christo Grozev‏Verified account @christogrozev 8 Jun 2020

          JIT and journalists also confronted other persons of interests who claimed that they did speak the content that was heard on intercepts, but on a different date. Dubinsky was one example. However data from such other date showed no such calls were made or possible.

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        19. Christo Grozev‏Verified account @christogrozev 8 Jun 2020

          Another "validation" example was an intercept between Girkin and Konstantin Valeryevich (identified by us as Malofeev). The content of the call was confirmed by contemporaneous news reports in the Russian mediapic.twitter.com/S8bc1aHeP1

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        20. Christo Grozev‏Verified account @christogrozev 8 Jun 2020

          In one last example, suspect Dubinsky reported on 16 June 2014 that Bezler's unit had just downed a Ukrainian SU fighter jet. This was also confirmed by contemporaneous news reports.pic.twitter.com/haSICiRiQS

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        21. Christo Grozev‏Verified account @christogrozev 8 Jun 2020

          In summary, JIT conducted a holistic, multidisciplinary validation of all calls shared by Ukraine, and have concluded that it's implausible that any manipulation of the handed-over call data may have taken place.

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        22. Christo Grozev‏Verified account @christogrozev 8 Jun 2020

          Prosecutors describe how they searched for witnesses. The first way was by using tips provided by SBU from ongoing investigations. Second were other countries that provided access to witnesses. Third, repeated appeal for witnesses were made by JIT via web, radio ads etc.

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        23. Christo Grozev‏Verified account @christogrozev 8 Jun 2020

          JIT also targeted individual potential witnesses via DM's, phone calls and social media. Many of these targeted individuals referred JIT to other people who might have had more information. This approach led to dozens of witness statements both in and out of Eastern Ukraine

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        24. Christo Grozev‏Verified account @christogrozev 8 Jun 2020

          These witnesses include former Russian mercenaries, Donbass separatists, journalists, local residents. Some of them were and/or are in Russia. We took their security as our primary goal.

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        25. Christo Grozev‏Verified account @christogrozev 8 Jun 2020

          Different approaches to witness safety were taken depending on the risk level. In some cases they were just assigned an ID number, their identity known only to JIT investigators. In other cases parts of the testimony was excluded by the investigative judge to protect identitiespic.twitter.com/Z3z3ZoFglC

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        26. Christo Grozev‏Verified account @christogrozev 8 Jun 2020

          Witness came forward between 2014 and 2019, and in 2019 the investigative judge started hearing each witness, and studied their individual safety situation to approve or not their anonymization. The judge also independently assessed the credibility of such witnesses.

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        27. Christo Grozev‏Verified account @christogrozev 8 Jun 2020

          Per Dutch law, an indicted party may challenge the anonymization of witnesses. In this case Pulatov challenged the anonymization of all secured witnesses, and a separate review court accepted that for one of them the procedure was not followed properly. All others remain anon.

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        28. Christo Grozev‏Verified account @christogrozev 8 Jun 2020

          JIT now will discuss the gathering of video and photo evidence, as well as the digital open source investigations, including the private investigations by journalists and citizen investigators.

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        29. Christo Grozev‏Verified account @christogrozev 8 Jun 2020

          Prosecutors explain the mammoth work that needed to be undertaken to monitor, capture and archive ALL potentially relevant online posts, images, video publications that might in the future provide evidence. This was done on a mass-scale basis using ML algorithms.

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        30. Christo Grozev‏Verified account @christogrozev 8 Jun 2020

          Initially only purely openly accessible sites were monitored and scraped. Later, JIT decided to create passive accounts to access membership status to certain closed online groups to be able to collected shared data therein. JIT obtained court-approved decisions for such access.

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        31. Christo Grozev‏Verified account @christogrozev 8 Jun 2020

          Following the prosecutor's presentation of the types and methods of evidence gathering and validation, the hearing for today is adjourned, and will resume tomorrow.pic.twitter.com/nE3deQt2Yd

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