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    1. LaToya Baldwin Clark | DrMamaEsq‏ @DrMamaEsq May 21
      Replying to @JenniferMRomig @WilliamBaude @OrinKerr

      Right, which is the reason why the justices do it. But the media coverage is different, I think. Most lay people didn’t actually listen to her reading it. (I didn’t!) But perhaps even when people know that something was spoken, there is an impact?

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    2. Richard M. Re‏ @RichardMRe May 21
      Replying to @DrMamaEsq @JenniferMRomig and

      I agree that orality matters here. Probably the leading discussion is Guinier “Demosprudence through dissent” https://harvardlawreview.org/2008/11/demosprudence-through-dissent/ …

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    3. Richard M. Re‏ @RichardMRe May 21
      Replying to @RichardMRe @DrMamaEsq and

      And now for some anecdote: I can immediately think of spoken dissents that impressed me in part because of the conviction I could hear in the speaker’s voice. And I think that can come across in a radio or podcast snippet, for example.

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    4. Orin Kerr‏Verified account @OrinKerr May 21
      Replying to @RichardMRe @DrMamaEsq and

      I guess I'm quirkily focused on what is written in the opinions. For the majority, that's the binding language; for the dissent, that's what so many will read. They get all the opportunity to express passion, outrage, fury, & conviction in unlimited words in the US Reports. etc.

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    5. Chris Geidner‏Verified account @chrisgeidner May 21
      Replying to @OrinKerr @RichardMRe and

      Taking that logic to an extreme end, oral arguments should be closed sessions, no reporters or observers allowed.

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    6. Orin Kerr‏Verified account @OrinKerr May 21
      Replying to @chrisgeidner @RichardMRe and

      I think taking the logic to an extreme end indicates that they shouldn't read summaries of majority opinions, either -- which I think they shouldn't.

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    7. Chris Geidner‏Verified account @chrisgeidner May 21
      Replying to @OrinKerr @RichardMRe and

      By summaries, do you mean news reports or the syllabus or both?

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    8. Orin Kerr‏Verified account @OrinKerr May 21
      Replying to @chrisgeidner @RichardMRe and

      Sorry, I meant the summaries of their majority opinions that the Justices read in open court. Perhaps it made sense pre-Internet, but these days it seems to just mean that they keep everyone waiting online for the opinion while they read a summary to 100 people.

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    9. Chris Geidner‏Verified account @chrisgeidner May 21
      Replying to @OrinKerr @RichardMRe and

      Oh, well. I’d rather have oral arguments live-streamed, in which case, decisions could be as well. (I imagine you’d dislike that greatly.)

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    10. Orin Kerr‏Verified account @OrinKerr May 21
      Replying to @chrisgeidner @RichardMRe and

      I have mixed views of livestreaming, but if everyone could watch live, I wouldn't dislike the decision readings, at least beyond concerns about them playing to the public. (But my original concern was just about press coverage, not what the Justices do.)

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      Chris Geidner‏Verified account @chrisgeidner May 21
      Replying to @OrinKerr @RichardMRe and

      Right, and I think press coverage is trying to share our genuine view of why justices read dissents. I think RBG sees it as a lever she can pull once a term or so to make a point. It’s her bell-ringing, and others do so as well (though less often).

      7:48 PM - 21 May 2018
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        2. Orin Kerr‏Verified account @OrinKerr May 21
          Replying to @chrisgeidner @RichardMRe and

          So in effect, the Justices wishing to influence future public debate about that issue becomes the story, making it newsworthy. Interesting. I suppose that's right, with the caveat that I don't think that's a good thing. http://volokh.com/posts/1193284491.shtml …

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        3. Chris Geidner‏Verified account @chrisgeidner May 21
          Replying to @OrinKerr @RichardMRe and

          I mean, that’s often what dissents aim to do! ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I’m not sure we disagree all that much; I think you just want a law prof press, whereas I think the reality is that people care about why justices like Scalia or Ginsburg are dissenting, so capturing that is valuable.

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        4. Chris Geidner‏Verified account @chrisgeidner May 21
          Replying to @chrisgeidner @OrinKerr and

          We heard and read about Scalia’s Lawrence dissent for a dozen years. He read it from the bench.pic.twitter.com/eQL3AAC4ND

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        5. Orin Kerr‏Verified account @OrinKerr May 21
          Replying to @chrisgeidner @RichardMRe and

          True, but I'm skeptical that we wouldn't have heard or read about it if he hadn't read part of it from the bench.

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        1. LaToya Baldwin Clark | DrMamaEsq‏ @DrMamaEsq May 21
          Replying to @chrisgeidner @OrinKerr and

          Which is why I think the media coverage is warranted.

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