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    1. Douglas A. Berman‏ @SLandP Feb 26

      Alabama joins Ohio as only modern state to truly botch an execution http://sentencing.typepad.com/sentencing_law_and_policy/2018/02/alabama-joins-ohio-as-only-modern-state-to-truly-botch-an-execution.html …

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    2. David Menschel‏ @davidminpdx Feb 26
      Replying to @SLandP

      Oklahoma called off an execution mid-way and the inmate died. That doesn't count as a botch? So what is it, an illegal homicide?

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    3. Douglas A. Berman‏ @SLandP Feb 26
      Replying to @davidminpdx

      If they officially called it off and failed to take proper steps to thereafter keep inmate alive, sounds like negligent/reckless homicide

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    4. David Menschel‏ @davidminpdx Feb 26
      Replying to @SLandP

      That's a pretty narrow definition of botched execution you got there.

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    5. David Menschel‏ @davidminpdx Feb 26
      Replying to @davidminpdx @SLandP

      In fact, I'd argue that was the most botched execution in American history. It completely obliterates the line between execution and flat out criminal homicide.

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      Chris Geidner‏Verified account @chrisgeidner Feb 26
      Replying to @davidminpdx @SLandP

      Also: What about Arizona?

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        1. Douglas A. Berman‏ @SLandP Feb 26
          Replying to @chrisgeidner @davidminpdx

          I am using botched narrowly for actively tried and failed. Many would claim most 3-drug efforts “botched” because of pain possibilities

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        2. Douglas A. Berman‏ @SLandP Feb 26
          Replying to @chrisgeidner @davidminpdx

          Did Arizona try actively and fail ... and then have to deal with whether to try again. I am using botched in this (too?) narrow way.

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        3. David Menschel‏ @davidminpdx Feb 26
          Replying to @SLandP @chrisgeidner

          2 hours in I bet Mr. Wood would say there's more than one way to botch an execution. So too Mr. Lockett who died as a result.

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        4. Douglas A. Berman‏ @SLandP Feb 26
          Replying to @davidminpdx @chrisgeidner

          I agree, but so would many others. I am using botched = failed. So defined, I count now 3 post-Furman. How many would you say botched?

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        5. David Menschel‏ @davidminpdx Feb 26
          Replying to @SLandP @chrisgeidner

          I agree that different people could define that term differently. I might favor a broader definition than some. Reasonable people may disagree. All I'm saying is that any definition that doesn't include Lockett and Wood isn't serious.

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        6. Douglas A. Berman‏ @SLandP Feb 26
          Replying to @davidminpdx @chrisgeidner

          I actually think a term like torturous or horrific may better capture ugliness of Wood and Lockett.

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        7. Douglas A. Berman‏ @SLandP Feb 26
          Replying to @SLandP @davidminpdx @chrisgeidner

          And really interesting that AZ and OK have seeming stopped executing, whereas Ohio and likely Alabama keep on at it

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        2. David Menschel‏ @davidminpdx Feb 26
          Replying to @chrisgeidner @SLandP

          Yes, as I recall they had one that lasted two hours and a judge tried to halt it in the middle but the inmate was already dead. That's not a "botch"?

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        3. Douglas A. Berman‏ @SLandP Feb 26
          Replying to @davidminpdx @chrisgeidner

          How would you use botched in this context? Taking long time? Condemned might appear in pain? Was recent FL execution not a botch?

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        4. David Menschel‏ @davidminpdx Feb 26
          Replying to @SLandP @chrisgeidner

          Exclude who you want, but any definition that doesn't include Lockett and Wood is bogus.

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